BTH – Sandra Pysch K – May 20th
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[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: have you ever felt like you're doing all the right things to heal, but something deep down is holding you back? Today I sit down with Sandra Wallen, a psychotherapist, certified psych K practitioner, an equine guided practitioner with over 17 years experience helping people work with their subconscious mind.

[00:00:19] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You'll hear how your early beliefs, many form before age seven, can quietly shape your health emotions and even your ability to recover. But more importantly, you learn how you can start to shift those beliefs. We'll talk about why willpower isn't enough. What makes psych case so different from traditional therapy and how people often feel relief after just one session.

[00:00:44] Dr. Katie Deming MD: stay until the end to hear the surprising way people can start dreaming again about life, joy, and what's next, not just about getting through the day. Let's dive in. [00:01:00] Hello everyone. I'm Dr. Katie Deming, and this is The Born to Heal podcast where we explore holistic practices for cancer prevention and healing. Let's welcome Sandra Wallen psychotherapist, certified psych K instructor and equine guided practitioner. Welcome, Sandra. It's so nice to have you.

[00:01:27] Sandra Wallin: Oh, it's lovely to be here, Katie. Thank you for the kind invitation.

[00:01:30] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Absolutely. Well, Sandra, you are so passionate about psych K, and can you tell why is that?

[00:01:41] Sandra Wallin: Well, interestingly enough, I was not at all drawn to it in the beginning. I had a friend that kept nudging me towards it, and you know how life sort of. Takes us into these interesting conversations. I had a riding accident, a profound riding accident that left me unconscious and broken, [00:02:00] and I had been sharing psych K within my private practice, but not using it with myself and the riding accident. Precipitated me to be able to start to use the, the wonders, really the transformational processes that Psic shares in in my own life. It changed the trajectory of my private practice, of my professional life, and it certainly had a profound impact in my wellbeing and still does to this day.

[00:02:31] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love that. Well, can you tell us a little bit about like how did it change your life? What, what is so life transforming about the skills that are taught in Psyche? I.

[00:02:42] Sandra Wallin: I think it might sound trite, but it works. You know, I, as a, as a psychotherapist, I had gone to school and had a lot of tools in the toolbox to be able to share forward. I first learned psych, I was also a school counselor. So I was working in the school system with youth and, [00:03:00] and children. And the traditional approach to transformation often tries to leverage the power of the conscious mind, which is our willpower.

[00:03:10] Sandra Wallin: And what we know now is that the conscious mind makes up one to 5% of our overall consciousness. So if you think about it in terms of, of, I'll use a horse analogy if I may, if, if I, if I had a dream or a goal or, or a healing, um. Opportunity that presented itself in my life that I wanted to be able to move through and to transform it would be like attaching that goal to a card and hooking up a beautiful draft horse to it and saying, all right, let's move on.

[00:03:38] Sandra Wallin: Walk on, let's move forward towards this destination. However, the other part of the conversation is our beautiful subconscious mind, and we know that that makes up 95 to 99% of our consciousness. So imagine. And, and in terms of numbers, 40 bits per second for the conscious mind, 40 million bits per second in terms of processing power [00:04:00] falls within the realm of the subconscious mind.

[00:04:01] Sandra Wallin: So one horse representing the conscious mind, pulling us toward our goal. But a million horses now representing the, the horsepower of the subconscious mind. And if our. Conscious goals are not aligned with our subconscious beliefs and programs, then it's like having one horse trying to move that cart forward in the direction of our healing, our growth, our wellbeing, our success, whatever it is that we're wanting to achieve and actualize while remaining in the starting gate.

[00:04:33] Sandra Wallin: Or a million horses that are either standing still because they're just neutral to whatever that goal is or conversely. The programming that we've had in our upbringing, and people like Bruce Lipton talk about the formative years from zero to six or seven years of age, how we're literally downloading the programs of the environment. So if those environmental programs, if we grew up with beliefs, like I can't, [00:05:00] I, I, I, I, I don't deserve, I'm unworthy. It's impossible. And then add on whatever the sentence under, to heal, to recover, to restore, to be vital, to be happy. Then those million horses are actually moving in the opposite direction of what it is that we consciously want to achieve.

[00:05:19] Sandra Wallin: So just the, the old adage of if you just do the math, it, it's kind of a no brainer if, if you want to create real and lasting change, the subconscious mind has to be involved. And I get so excited talking about it because the other thing about the beautiful Psych K processes is. You know, you don't have to have letters after your name to learn it.

[00:05:40] Sandra Wallin: Everybody can learn skay, it's a really user-friendly, easy to learn, utilize, and incorporate. In fact, I've even taught it in the school system all the way up to a gentleman who is 85 years old, is the oldest gentleman that I've taught so far. So everyone can learn it. It's so accessible, and [00:06:00] yet I think sometimes in its simplicity, people think, oh, it can't possibly be that simple. that's the belief. And so psych K really does a bit of myth busting in this regard. That change doesn't have to take a long time. It doesn't have to be painful or complicated, and we don't have to know why we are the way we are in order to change. amazing. I.

[00:06:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: and I think that. You know, your first statement that it works is exactly why it's become such a central part of my practice because emotional trauma I. Subconscious programming all come into play when someone's healing, right? Because what we're creating in our bodies and in our lives is a lot of it has to do with what we've been through either, you know, through traumas or the programming that, like you said, happens between ages zero and seven and.

[00:06:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Then people become sick, which actually becomes then another [00:07:00] trauma on top of all of this, and you know that you need, there's this work that needs to happen on an emotional level. But the one thing that I found was people who are doing traditional talk therapy, actually. It wasn't helping with the healing that needed to happen as part of their holistic healing of their illness.

[00:07:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, 'cause in my lens I'm seeing people who have cancer and what was so beautiful about psych K is that. I could send people for one session and, and they would feel lighter. They would say, I feel better after just one session. And like you said, you don't have to know why you don't have to spend years.

[00:07:44] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And for me, when someone is sick, you wanna use tools at work and that I don't have time to mess around. Like, my people are sick, they don't have time. They're overwhelmed with everything that they already have. That if you can find. [00:08:00] A tool or a technique that works in a couple sessions or that they can learn it themselves and then be using the balances every day, which is, you know, we're gonna get to what you and I are collaborating on, which is so beautiful.

[00:08:13] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But, um, I agree with you and that is why I've become such a fan of it. It's, it, it's simple, it's effective, and it's not traumatizing, and it really helps people make progress quickly.

[00:08:28] Sandra Wallin: It does often and, and this can be a little bit mind blowing as well. Sometimes in seconds to minutes we can completely reassociate and perceive things that have been. Perhaps even dwelling or creating resistance or dis-ease in our physiology, the, the, the beliefs at the subconscious level of mind, when we change them there, they can change our biochemistry, change our physiology, it is incredible as you're just describing that. I would support [00:09:00] this as well. I don't see for 10 or 20 years. I see people for a session or two. They experience change and transformation. They go out and live now in this new integrative way. They allow the new beliefs to show up to soak in, in their lives. And then when they're ready or if they're ready or if there's anything else, and they, they reach back out and, and we work with another layer if there's something there that they wanna. Go even deeper into, and I love that everyone can learn it because then even if someone who's attended the classes or the workshops, we still will do sessions together. Then it's almost like we're speaking this LA, the same language as well, which facilitates our ability to really fluidly moved through session as well, which was really lovely.

[00:09:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Well, and you know, for the listeners, so Sandra and I did not know each other just even a few months ago. I think we just met like. Four months ago. January. Yeah, since now April. [00:10:00] And, um, we met because I, I knew that Ske Ske had been a foundation of my practice and I had been referring my clients to a Ske practitioner to do sessions with them.

[00:10:13] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So Will Hahn works with my clients. He's incredible. But, um. Something just kept saying like, you should take the level one site K. And I was like, but I'm never gonna practice it in my practice because I've just got so much that I'm really looking at on all levels that I need someone else to do the site K facilitation with clients.

[00:10:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I was like, well, I'm not gonna use it, but I should. I feel like there's something like I should know. The tools, like I should understand how this is done. And level one is really about learning how to use it for yourself anyway. And so I signed up for the level one workshop and was, you know, ended up in your workshop, which was not an accident, and it was.

[00:10:59] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Life [00:11:00] changing for me and I people, like I did a full year of working with Will on Psych and know this stuff and had been using it, but to learn it in the ways that it's meant to be able to use on yourself. You know, I understood it because I had done so many sessions, but to actually be taught the skills on how to use it on myself.

[00:11:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: There were things that I had still not really worked through that I was able to shift just in that, you know, three day workshop, and that was mind blowing for me. I, and I just said, okay, my people, they know that they, you know, need psych K, right? I've been referring already, but. I think they need to learn it.

[00:11:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Like, I think there would be so much synergy between doing the sessions with a practitioner, like you say, and then learning the, the skills themselves, because I. It makes, number [00:12:00] one, the sessions that they have even more powerful 'cause they have this shared language and understanding, but then every day they have the tools.

[00:12:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: They don't have to wait for an appointment with a psych K facilitator to balance or process things. They can do it in real time. And so that's when I approached Sandra to ask her. You know, could we offer this, you know, a level one, but specifically for people who are healing, you know, my, my people, I would like to have a small setting where they, they, they're with other people who are healing and they feel like it's a safe space.

[00:12:37] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so we were able to, I sponsored that first workshop at the end of January, and then we did another one in March, I think. Yeah. And. It really has blown my mind actually what's happened in having my clients learn the skills themselves [00:13:00] in addition to having the experience of working with a practitioner.

[00:13:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I'd love to hear from your perspective what this has been like to be teaching. You've been teaching psych K for how long? Long.

[00:13:14] Sandra Wallin: 17 years I.

[00:13:16] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah, a long time. Been like very deep in with Psyche and um, you know, scenes so much. I'm wondering if you can speak to this specific, you know, working with people healing specifically and also they're not just people who are healing.

[00:13:33] Dr. Katie Deming MD: My people are really. Understand the power of the mind and are really invested in this whole idea that we can create health in our body or we can create disease and that the power of the mind and um, this work. So I'm wondering if you wanna speak to that.

[00:13:52] Sandra Wallin: Well, first of all, it was a beautiful honor to be invited. Into [00:14:00] community, and then also the ladies. I'm gonna tear up all the ladies that have been part of the two groups so far. Just an incredible, authentic, genuine, vulnerable, courageous, beautiful, profoundly beautiful group of, of women, all at different stages of their, learning, healing, transformational journeys. that common thread that Katie mentioned. And so there's the, I think, well, I can go on and on about the, the many different blessings and gifts of having the cohort together as they are, because there's a shared understanding, and I think that in and of itself creates a, a container which healing and transformation is accentuated a way. And, and then the idea also that. The questions that they're gonna ask, the, the confrontations that they're dealing with in their own lives, the [00:15:00] diagnoses, the, the tests, the, the. The hospital experiences, the, the di, all, all the things that they're navigating, they have this, again, this shared journey in a way, and yet each one is walking it in their own way and creating their own pathway forward.

[00:15:17] Sandra Wallin: So they're learning from each other, from the questions that they ask, from the experiences they have within the cohort. And, and then. Afterwards, we had these follow up mentoring calls and integration calls, which they have really been loving because they were given a month then to be able to take what it was that they learned and use it.

[00:15:36] Sandra Wallin: The goal is to be able to use site K in our daily lives, not necessarily. We, we don't need to learn psychic because we're quote unquote broken or that we're facing something painful and traumatic. We can be using psych K in our daily lives as well to to paint with different colors, to paint an already existing and beautiful life in a more vibrant hue. And [00:16:00] particular palette that these ladies are painting from, again, has some shared colors. So what we were experiencing was within the container of the workshop. First of all. Deep rapport, deep understanding, compassion, For sure. They wanted to know, you know, how, how does this work? How do I engage with this?

[00:16:18] Sandra Wallin: How do I use it in my own daily lives or daily life, pardon me? But also the space. So there's a term that we use in site K, it's an Inuit term. The people from the Canadian Arctic is called Isuma talk. And it means being the keeper of sacred space in which wisdom is revealed. And that's. As a site K facilitator and instructor, that's something that I wanna embody, that quality, that energy, that practice. But also we experience it within the workshops as well. So the ladies, by the time we get to the third day, they're going to be doing or having and holding Isuma taught conversations with and for each other. So they've learned all of the [00:17:00] processes up until this point they've seen experienced. Practiced, sometimes even just miraculous transformations with, with within just minutes while we are learning together. Then they're sharing the, the delight and sometimes the, the awestruck ness, the word, their awestruck ness of, of the new belief that they are now able to feel differently. Pain can be transformed. Em emotional trauma is being transformed. Old paradigms around that, that we all coexist with in some way or another in terms of the medical models that we, that we navigate through are completely being, like the ceiling is being blown off of them.

[00:17:46] Sandra Wallin: The potential of what's possible is being moved through and new realities and possibilities are being created even in the three days. So that is so very, very exciting. And I would say that [00:18:00] palpably. A constant or a, thread is when we learn. So in in the processes, we're gonna learn how, certainly to use our conscious mind to define and create destinations that we wanna be able to move towards.

[00:18:13] Sandra Wallin: For example, that our body restores and returns to a balanced state, a homeostatic state, a state of, of grace, and wellness and vital health, and. We also learn how to transform. even, even for myself when I received a diagnosis, how do I just receiving that, that news can be in and of itself for some people, a life sentence.

[00:18:39] Sandra Wallin: I know it certainly was for my father when he received a diagnosis. So the words that. Are just cast about so casually sometimes in, in the fields, uh, around health and wellbeing aren't always healthy and for our wellbeing. So being able to even just [00:19:00] take some of those descriptors, some, some of those diagnoses and be able to re perceive them so that they no longer, when we hear the word cancer, when we hear the word, um, you know, whatever the.

[00:19:12] Sandra Wallin: The printout on the blood test is supposed to be in and ours is not yet there. To be able to transform our association, our perception of what that means, and give it a new association, a new reality. So now how that vibrates or how that frequency lives and exists, not only in our mind, but Candace Pert, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering the opiate receptor, one of my favorite amazing psycho neuroimmunologist heroes. Um, she talks about the, the body. Is the subconscious mind. So when we're changing the subconscious beliefs and programs, we are literally changing the, the, the energy, the frequency, the vibrations, the, the dynamics at the cellular level, which is really, really exciting. So they're doing all that. They're doing, they're doing complete [00:20:00] cellular makeovers.

[00:20:01] Sandra Wallin: But also one of the things we would tease about is after, especially after they would do a transforming a perception around a, a stressful situation, it looked like they'd gone to, many have gone to the spa because the, the, the countenance and the posture and the palor and the color and the, the. the energy in their faces and in their bodies, you can see, and they can all see that in each other.

[00:20:28] Sandra Wallin: So there's also, I think this, this feeling or this sense of belief and hope and, and, and, um, love and care that's happening within the workshops, which I think, I mean it exists across all workshops for sure. There's a coming together of people that are like-minded and like-hearted. But I think when we get together with these particular cohorts of women and, and perhaps gentlemen at some point as well, are navigating this particular diagnosis, I think there's a level of understanding and [00:21:00] compassion that they have for each other that doesn't, that doesn't exist in a, in a more heterogeneous group. Did I answer your question, Katie?

[00:21:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. No, and I think that you and I have spoken about this, but one of the things that my clients have really asked for is, you know, community to be brought together. And I've, I've said this before, um, that. And, but you probably haven't heard me use this analogy, but I, I get really hesitant about cancer support groups because I've seen some bad things happen.

[00:21:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I think that, especially when you're talking about emotional healing, if people bring things into these groups that they have not healed, they can be harmful to each other. And, and I, the way that I describe it to my clients is that. You are like a little seed that's just been planted into the ground and you've got this brand new little [00:22:00] garden, and when you are a new seed in a new garden, you need to be protected.

[00:22:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And we don't let people just walk all over the top of a new garden that's been planted. We put up a fence and we make sure that. Your garden receives what it needs, right? We need love, we need care. We need people who are supportive. We need sunlight. You know, we need a lot of the same things that, that little plant that's been planted, but in, um.

[00:22:30] Dr. Katie Deming MD: A lot of these support groups, each person is their own little garden, right? And they show up and they're all these little gardens kind of, you know, all together. And you, what you see is you see people throwing poison outta their garden into the next garden and they're, they're really. Poisoning each other and not intentionally, like I, I really believe that nobody does this intentionally, but you have to be very careful about the way that you bring people together if you [00:23:00] wanna facilitate healing.

[00:23:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And my goal is always to be facilitating healing. And one of the beautiful things that has come out of. The workshops that you've facilitated, and this wasn't the intention, right, but this has been a beautiful byproduct, is that we've seen this is a beautiful way to bring people who are healing together to actually.

[00:23:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Facilitate more healing. It's like it's synergistic rather than potentially pulling people down because it's so, number one, you're giving them the skills, the common language, the tools that they're using for themselves, but then they have the opportunity to see how their language affects other people and that they can support each other.

[00:23:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: As you described the beautiful. A Suma talk, um, concept that's taught in, of becoming a Suma talks for each other, where we're really holding [00:24:00] space for that beautiful wisdom to come through and, and really being intentional about how we're bringing people together. So that, I didn't expect that. I didn't know that that might be a, you know, solution to this problem that I've had where people are like, we wanna be brought together.

[00:24:17] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But it, it really, I think it could be a model actually for support for people who are healing.

[00:24:24] Sandra Wallin: That'd be lovely. Katie. Let's, let's put that intention out.

[00:24:29] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that when you come together with other people who are healing, and this is for my listeners, you know. You wanna be careful with the, the groups that you join and the, you know, what's happening in those groups. And, um, just be discerning because you can be exposed to things that, that are not necessarily gonna serve you in your healing journey.

[00:24:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And, and you don't wanna have to be protecting yourself. [00:25:00] So anyway, I just think it's something for pe I've always said that I've always been. I think support groups can be great, but I think they have to be well facilitated to be. Healing, you know, that they, they can sometimes become dump fests where people are just, they wanna just get everything out and that can serve a purpose.

[00:25:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But the problem is, if you're on the receiving end of that, or reading all these things that it can be, you know, then you have things to work through from things that you've read in these groups. So, um, I just love, that's one of the beautiful things I think about the work that you do, Sandra, is. You hold space, space in such a beautiful way and really help people transform their perception.

[00:25:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, they're doing the work with the skills of psych K, but really showing there's a different way for us to look at illness and our bodies and that everything is, our bodies are always working to bring us [00:26:00] back into balance and alignment, but sometimes we need help, you know, and so you bring tools and also just.

[00:26:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: A beautiful energy, a healing energy that you bring as I know that you're, you don't consider yourself healer in this way, but you're absolutely a healer and you're facilitating that, um, through teaching people the skills about Psyche and whether, you know, for anyone who's listening, any, you know, workshop that Sandra, Sandra teaches would be amazing, but this particular, you know.

[00:26:33] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Doing it in this setting, like I hear from the people who've worked with you, you know, they are so, so grateful that you've, you know, been willing to kind of jump into this with me and teach it, you know, to these, these special groups that are wanting to come together and, and they really are special. You know, I, I, I'm so productive of my people, but I've been so grateful for.

[00:26:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. For what [00:27:00] has come out of this. And um, and also I love, you know, the mentoring, you, you, we talked about that before of how do we help them continue on. 'cause we didn't want them, you know, for everyone who's listening Psych K level one online workshops are a three day workshop. And, and then, um, Sandra, you know, you with your.

[00:27:20] Dr. Katie Deming MD: People who you teach, you would do a follow up call at about a month. But we decided that with these groups, that we wanted them to have a month of mentoring calls, you know, once every two weeks or two calls over a month to help them come back together and to practice. Also share what they're learning and how they're using it and get mentoring and how to deepen the skills as they were learning it.

[00:27:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I'm wondering if what, if you can speak to that, what that's been like of having that ongoing? I.

[00:27:50] Sandra Wallin: It is been lovely for me because I've com completely fallen in love with all the ladies, so it's so wonderful to be back in their [00:28:00] company and to see the progression. Uh, between our gathering times and, but also for them to feel comfortable and trusting that they don't have to come back and say, yes, I've moved up from here to here.

[00:28:14] Sandra Wallin: They can say, actually, I bumped into this. I struggled here. How do I, how do I get out of this? How do I use what I've learned? And then these are real practical, real life conversations that we have right there in the, in the mentoring time. And I think that that can be really helpful because we have this immersion in these three days of this sacred space and time where we are all speaking the same language, where we all bringing a level of respect and understanding and belief and sacred space holding. And then we go back into our, our lives where the life around us hasn't necessarily changed to the degree that we have. And so then we go back into this and [00:29:00] we're faced with the reality. Or that reality, and we might now feel like we are a different person in relationship to that reality. So how do we navigate that?

[00:29:10] Sandra Wallin: How do we interface with that, create new relationships with this and I think that's, that's, that's real, real life. That's using site K in our daily lives. This is why we talk about when you take the workshops, we ask, we invite, we hope. That we've given you enough understanding and practice and really being able to sink your teeth into what, what you've learned so that you can now use it every day and ideally every day kind of just. In a natural forward focused, you know, turning our inner compass towards what we want as opposed to moving away from what we don't want is a really significant philosophy in psych case. So, okay. When you're turning towards what it is that you do want, even though it hasn't actualized we're gonna achieve, yet we want to believe that it [00:30:00] has been, this is part of the relationship with the subconscious mind. the ladies are talking about, well, I look at this, I've come this far, and oh, I still want to go this far. Then someone else might say, well, that's amazing, and I'm, and I so love that you did that, and how did you, how did you have that conversation? Or, or did you transform the perception of stress or did you create a goal statement around that?

[00:30:22] Sandra Wallin: So they're talking with each other in real time about practical applications, and not even just practical either, because some, some of the conversations we're having are about these. These beautiful extended dreamlike kind of realities that are now coming, into being. So the, the gift I think is, it's real, it's practical, but it's also, I.

[00:30:48] Sandra Wallin: Dreamy and expansive. And why shouldn't it be? I mean, why can't we be having the magic and, and the, the luster of life show show up as part of the things that we're [00:31:00] wanting to attract and balance for and step into and own and be grateful for and allow. And so I think they're learning from each other. I had an amazing teacher. When I, a horse mentor, sage woman, um, who always used to teach us that, um, learning and teaching is a sacred reciprocity. so I'm the teacher, I'm also the student. When I'm the student, I'm also the teacher. And I think that's really what starts to unfold when we're in

[00:31:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:27] Sandra Wallin: groups is they're recognizing.

[00:31:30] Sandra Wallin: The wisdom that each other, that, that they are wisdom carriers in their own right, and that they are in this group of wisdom carriers and keepers as well. And so they get this incredible opportunity to be with each other. But you're right, it's structured. It's guided, and we don't go down any, any rabbit holes of destruction. Uh, and if we do come to the edge of them, the site cake question that we always ask, the golden question is, what do you want instead? How would you like to feel instead? What would you rather create [00:32:00] instead? What kind of blood test results do you want to be seeing, uh, when you go into the, into the session next time instead? So we're, we're starting to give, it's like we're putting coordinates. Into the GPS of our subconscious mind saying, take me here. And that's, it's not even like, that's what we're doing. That is what we're doing. And we're very often conditioned to program what we don't. Well, I don't wanna be sick anymore. I don't wanna see those results anymore.

[00:32:29] Sandra Wallin: Yes. And what do you want instead? Because this is gonna be far more richer, helpful information because the subconscious mind is going to take us where we programmed it to take us. And if we're programming it where to where we don't wanna go. It's not discerning in that way. It just goes to the coordinates that we put in there. So learning how to also be, as you've al, you've used the word a couple times, discerning, being mindful, discerning, thoughtful, contemplative, and, and protective, as you said as well [00:33:00] about what it is that we want to be putting into navigation system. Then have this amazing level of cheerleading and support and, and also people that can, like I know Brene Brown talks so beautifully about empathy versus sympathy. So this level of empathy that we all have for each other, that they all have for each other is profound. And I think that that's something that doesn't necessarily happen, uh, everywhere as well.

[00:33:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. Well, and I, I love that you brought up dreaming

[00:33:32] Sandra Wallin: Hmm.

[00:33:33] Dr. Katie Deming MD: because that is. Something that it's, cancer is a crisis, right? And crisis in Chinese is symbolized by two symbols. The first is danger, which makes sense. But the second symbol is opportunity. So crisis creates opportunity and cancer is absolutely a crisis, and there is absolutely opportunity that's created, but.

[00:33:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You brought [00:34:00] something up that I wouldn't have been able to articulate until I heard you just say it. One of the things that I see that is different with my clients after they go through this training is their dreaming.

[00:34:12] Sandra Wallin: Hmm. I love

[00:34:13] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Whereas before I think we're focused and I, you know, and this is partly, you know, something for me to sit with as well as, you know.

[00:34:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: In my practice, we focus a lot on the things that they don't want, right? We're, we're moving away from those things, but we're having to address those head on and, and a lot of the things that end up coming up are the things that they're wanting to move away from and, and we're working towards that, right?

[00:34:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But that is what I see. That is what I've seen with my clients who've done this. Training is that they're dreaming, they're dreaming into something bigger and they're dreaming for each other because then after, so sweet. You know, the, the timing of the [00:35:00] workshops have been like at the end of the month, and then I'd have people who are starting to fast, so I would.

[00:35:06] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Intentionally recommend the workshop for people who are gonna fast because these skills are huge to take before you fast. Or, you know, I've had some people take it when they've come outta the fast. But what was so sweet was that, you know, there were some people who had finished their fast in there. I.

[00:35:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And knew what it had been like. And then there was, you know, one woman who was about to begin her fast and they were reaching out to me, the other clients to say, can I, can we give advice to her? We want, we wanna support her, we wanna tell her what to do, you know, like so that she can have the best results with the fast.

[00:35:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And you can just see. They're dreaming collectively and individually, and it's so powerful. Like that is the power is when you get them together and they're dreaming again about what's possible for their life. We're no longer talking about cancer, we're talking about what is possible, and that's what this, [00:36:00] that, that's what the whole thing is.

[00:36:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I, I just love that you brought that up because I don't think that I would've been able to articulate that.

[00:36:06] Sandra Wallin: And I really appreciate that you said that you're giving me goosebumps and, at that particular example is just coming back into my mind. We had. So much fun together with at that particular instant because this group, you're just describing, the one lady that was about to start her her fast, she was really worried about creating healthy boundaries around. Well, you know, being a mom and, and how do I, how do I say yes and no to this and that, and living the everyday structures that she needed to be living while she was taking care of herself through the fast and what, what the ladies were sharing with her helped her facilitate. I. Coming up with a goal statement, and I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was about that it's easy for me to set and maintain healthy boundaries, something like that. And then at break, during our little break, apparently she went in and talked to her son and told him to put his cell phone away. And, [00:37:00] and, and, uh, while, 'cause while she was in the class, I guess he was taking advantage of the fact that she, and she goes, I would never have done that before. And she got this real time feedback and she was just glowing and.

[00:37:10] Sandra Wallin: Cited and all the ladies were cheering for her that she went, she did a balance and then minutes later she went and took an action step and it, and she said, and I couldn't believe how respectful he was when I told him that that's how it needed to be. She said, I was, you know, before I would've expected this back. She wasn't that at all. It was just easy and comfortable for me to do that, and his response was easy and comfortable. Amazing.

[00:37:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. So just, you know, I think the thing that I want people to hear from this is that I. There are tools that can make this experience of healing cancer so much easier and Psyche is one of them. And I just, I will, like I say it over and over again, I'm like, [00:38:00] when people ask me like, what is the one thing that I really think.

[00:38:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Would be valuable for people who are healing and I, well, I'd say fasting.

[00:38:08] Sandra Wallin: Yeah.

[00:38:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So fasting is, is becoming my like thing because I think there's so much clarity. But in terms of tools, psyche is like my number one tool as a practitioner to send people to have, you know, facilitated sessions. And then now I'm just seeing though.

[00:38:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: How it's so powerful to have both. And that's one of the things that the people who've done both, they've worked with Will, and then they've done the psych K. They come to me and they say, I don't know if I would've been totally open to it if I didn't know how much it could help me through the sessions that I had had.

[00:38:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But then now I have this beautiful mix of where I can go see someone and really work through something that maybe feels like. I'm not able to grasp it, you know, fully myself. But then most of the [00:39:00] stuff I can just do on my own and I'm building my skills so that I'm getting better and better, and maybe I need to see a practitioner less than I was seeing before.

[00:39:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I think that the combination of the two of having the workshop and the skills yourself, and then also seeing a practitioner, they go together. They're not like you do one or the other because I'm seeing that. The clients who have the most benefit are doing both of those things.

[00:39:26] Sandra Wallin: I think they exponentially feed into each other. And then our goal too as well, with the mentoring and the integration time is that they're gonna be offering each other peer support. You know,

[00:39:37] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah.

[00:39:38] Sandra Wallin: in, in that structured way that they, that they're gonna recognize and realize that they are the key to their own transformation and, and that they can help other, other people in their cohort and their families and beyond, recognize that for and within themselves as well.

[00:39:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love it. Well. I wonder, you know, just, this is like, just for [00:40:00] someone who maybe had never heard about Psyche before, could you just like in a quick, you know, just a few sentences say what, what this is about? Just so that they have like a high level, you know, we've talked about the subconscious mind, we've talked about processing and um, you know, setting intentions and all of that.

[00:40:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But I think it would be helpful for people just to hear, you know, just a quick synopsis of what it is, how you would describe it.

[00:40:24] Sandra Wallin: I am, I'm a little bit of a shapeshifter when it comes to language, so ICI can, I can and have described it in many different ways, so I'll just say what's popping into my head right now and give kind of some practical pieces. One. We're gonna learn how to use applied kinesiology or muscle testing because this is a way that we communicate with the subconscious mind.

[00:40:45] Sandra Wallin: It's the way that we check to see if there is subconscious stress associated to whatever it is we're thinking. Feeling or focusing on muscle testing is not wee woo or ferry's. Just a biofeedback mechanism, one that many [00:41:00] modalities. Use across, the wellness spectrum. So we're gonna use it in a really particular way.

[00:41:05] Sandra Wallin: So we learn how to self muscle test, and I was never very good at that before I learned SK. And once I learned SK. I became brilliant at it, and therefore, by default, everyone that studies with me is brilliant at self muscle testing or testing in person if we're doing an in-person class. So if that's a worry, just put that to the side. The second thing that's really important, and this even comes back to my time as a school teacher and counselor was. We would work with the, the construct or the power of the whole brain state, which comes from educational kinesiology, and we work with that in site K. So creating a whole brain state and environment.

[00:41:43] Sandra Wallin: There's all kinds of beautiful research behind that, including some beautiful studies on the site K homepage that that show what's going on. In, in the brain when we're doing a psychic balance and a balance is the term we give to the processes that we use in ic. So we're creating this [00:42:00] whole brain state, which is an optimal state for, it's a super learning state really, but it's also an optimal state for, uh, transforming stress and creating, integrating and downloading new belief. Patterns, perceptions, et cetera. we're gonna learn two, uh, how to do these balance processes by engendering the whole brain state. And then we also learn how to, again, the idea of moving towards something is really important. So we're gonna learn how to craft our own beautiful, meaningful goal statements, and there's a specific criteria that go with those. So it's not gonna be I want to or I don't want to. So we're gonna learn how to create gorgeous voluptuous goal statements that we can balance for that will create amazing ripple effects and impact in our lives. And then we're also going to learn how to transform. The, and we call it the perception of stress.

[00:42:57] Sandra Wallin: It used to be called transforming [00:43:00] trauma, past, present, and future trauma. In and of itself, that word can be traumatizing. So we're gonna learn now how to transform perception of stress is how we describe it. And that can be with the little t things like. You know, I, I'm really excited to ask someone on a date, but I feel a little bit nervous or I have a phobia of, of, uh, of spiders, whatever that might be.

[00:43:22] Sandra Wallin: Or it can be the things that some of these beautiful people that are in Katie's community are dealing with these, these diagnoses, these lives changing diagnoses. But I love, love, love that you, I didn't realize about the Chinese symbol, that it was crisis and opportunity. Is that how

[00:43:41] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It's, um, danger crisis is represented by two symbols. The first symbol is, is, um, danger, and then the second is opportunity.

[00:43:51] Sandra Wallin: so danger comes through this, this threat of the, the diagnosis, and then even if [00:44:00] we had a belief that. That was something on the long along the lines of that I'm able to transform ev any challenge or any bump in the road into an opportunity for me. For sure. The riding accident was danger crisis, and then the opportunity in that for me was to be able to restore my, to like Humpty Dumpty, to put myself back together again, even though I was told that I sh I wouldn't be able to. And that's when the, you know, that's when the big light bulb went on for me related to, I have to learn as much about this as I possibly can. the pieces that we learn. When I, when people ask me to describe site K in a nutshell, what I'll say is it's about learning how to align our conscious dreams, goals, and desires with our subconscious beliefs and programs.

[00:44:51] Sandra Wallin: And when we do, we literally have those million and one horses moving us towards our goal, uh, without the interference [00:45:00] patterns, without the resistance, without other horses pulling in the opposite direction. And when we can do that. It's amazing how quickly things can transform and change, ease, even physiological things.

[00:45:12] Sandra Wallin: So even a dis disease that has, has shown up in the body can be transformed, back into a state of balance and equilibrium

[00:45:20] Sandra Wallin: amazing.

[00:45:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And that's what, so Bruce Lipton, you know, author of Biology of Belief is, you know, a huge advocate and actually Biology of Belief. That book wouldn't have been written if he hadn't come across Psych K, but he talks about that in biology of Belief. How, you know, psych K can help transform physiology by cha.

[00:45:44] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, changing what is programmed into your subconscious mind. So that's a resource for people if they wanna understand some of the science behind this, like, well, how could this technique, you know, really change our physiology? It's by changing what's programmed [00:46:00] into our subconscious mind. Sandra, it's been a privilege having you.

[00:46:06] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Here, I'm sure we'll have you back again because we're, you know, the work that we're doing together has been really so profound and transformative for my clients. But can you tell people where can they find you?

[00:46:17] Sandra Wallin: Uh, you can find me@sandrawallen.com or Kyron way and Kyron like the cent. Um. Kyron way.com and, uh, if you go there, you can find my Instagram, Facebook, also the courses that are being taught and shared related to site K are all listed there as well, the online classes as well as the in-person classes.

[00:46:41] Sandra Wallin: And you are most welcome to email me to ask any questions. Yeah, I just love as, as I'm sure you realize, I'm passionate about psych. I love talking about it, and I, I feel so honored and blessed, uh, to, to have Katie that we [00:47:00] met, always trusting in how. The lay lines cross and, and line up. But what's coming out of our meeting and the things that we're dreaming into being together, it's just really exciting.

[00:47:13] Sandra Wallin: So I wanna thank you as well for all the incredible love and and work that you do in the world. It's just you're, you're spectacular. Thank you.

[00:47:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Thank you so much Sandra. And just so people know that we, the, the psych K workshops that are through for my clients that are through Sandra will not be on her website, but we do have one upcoming. June 25th through 27th, and we will include the information about that workshop in the show notes so that you can find that.

[00:47:50] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But then if people are interested in doing one of these workshops, that is the small groups with my clients or my people. You don't have to be my [00:48:00] individual client to attend these workshops, but specifically for people who are healing or caregivers, which actually we didn't get a chance to talk about, but.

[00:48:08] Sandra Wallin: yeah. Maybe next time Katie.

[00:48:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: time we can talk about that. So we, Sandra, Sandra has had, um, caregivers in these workshops as well, which is huge. So, but if you want to learn more about the workshops that Sandra is doing specifically, I. With my clients and, and in my kind of healing space. The next one is Jo June 25th to 27th, and we will include the information, um, for signing up for that in the show notes so that you can find that.

[00:48:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then also you can always email me or Sonder to find out when those will be, but those won't be listed because those are private events.

[00:48:44] Sandra Wallin: private, which is, I think, really lovely to be able to, I, I just think it's a, a, a joy to be able to work in this community with this group of people. again, Katie, even just [00:49:00] how Shelly supports, like e every contact that you have with Katie is going to be. Loving and kind and professional and expedient and so I just can't recommend being in touch with Shelly or Katie through, through that platform as well.

[00:49:14] Sandra Wallin: It's just been so much fun.

[00:49:16] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Perfect. And Shelly is the boss at my, at my practice. She, she's my director of operations. She runs the show. So, um, she'll make sure that you're taking care of any of my staff. So thank you so much, Sandra. It's been a privilege and uh, we'll see you again. I'm sure. For sure.

[00:49:32] Sandra Wallin: Thank you, Katie. Have a good evening.

[00:49:33] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I.

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