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Episode 40 | Psych-K and Subconscious Reprogramming to Rapidly Heal Past Trauma with Will Hann

Does Reshaping the Subconscious Mind Help You Heal Past Traumas?

Imagine a therapy technique where years of emotional trauma can be released in mere minutes – without having to re-live painful memories or risk getting re-traumatized. Sounds too good to be true?

In this fascinating episode, Dr. Katie Deming demystifies Psych-K, a unique mind-body approach that bypasses the conscious mind to directly reprogram limiting subconscious beliefs and emotional patterns.

You'll meet Will Hann, a Psych-K practitioner whose own transformative journey provides a powerful case study. Hear how Will spent decades struggling with depression and disconnection before a chance encounter with Psych-K allowed him to finally process and release his suppressed emotional traumas.

Key Takeaways:
• How Psych-K activates both hemispheres of your brain
• 95% of our thoughts/behaviors are driven by your subconscious mind
• What unhealed traumas manifest into if not treated

Chapters:
09:48 – Unconscious Trauma
13:37 – Rapid Trauma Transformation
17:32 – Learning How to Acknowledge and Process Emotions
20:49 – Why Will Power Fails You
22:24 – Psych-K to Treat Allergies

Will shares his remarkable personal shift from constant negative self-talk and inauthenticity to a sense of peace, presence and self-acceptance – after just a single day of experiencing Psych-K.

The conversation dives into the nuanced relationship between conscious and subconscious minds. You'll learn just how much our unconscious beliefs, identities and habit patterns silently drive everything from self-sabotaging behaviors to chronic health issues like allergies.

Will explains how Psych-K pinpoints and rewrites these deep-seated subconscious programs quickly and seamlessly, paving the way for profound emotional liberation in a fraction of the time compared to conventional therapies.

Beyond releasing past traumas, Will and Dr. Deming discuss the vital importance of relearning how to experience and honor our emotions as healthy human beings. Too often, we're conditioned to suppress, numb or over-analyze our feeling states from childhood on.

You'll gain insights into how Psych-K empowers people to finally befriend their emotions, creating space for more authenticity, joy and freedom in all life areas.

If you or someone you care about feels trapped in cyclical emotional turmoil or is having trouble breaking stubborn patterns, this mind-opening look at subconscious reprogramming could be a game-changing listen.

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[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming: On today's episode, we are talking about Psyche K, a technique for releasing past trauma, Processing emotions and also programming the subconscious mind. And the reason why I'm doing this episode is, this emotional component to healing from illness.[00:00:20] Dr. Katie Deming: And so one of the techniques that I use with my current clients is psych K. so I've invited Will Hahn, who is a psych K [00:00:30] practitioner, and actually one who works with my clients. ~And he is Basically explaining the technique and what we're doing. ~

[00:00:32] Dr. Katie Deming: And~ And also I think~ a lot of the questions that I get around the emotional work is, ~you know,~ do you need to relive the trauma?

[00:00:40] Dr. Katie Deming: And is this potentially going to re traumatize someone?

[00:00:43] Dr. Katie Deming: And so he answers all of those questions about what does this work look like? How long does it take? Is it painful? You know, is it effective? and really giving an, a picture of, of what it would be like to explore this technique. So I know you're going to enjoy this.

[00:00:59] Dr. Katie Deming: Stay [00:01:00] tuned.

[00:01:00] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:01:30] ~today~ I am excited to be joined by Will Hahn, who is a practitioner that I work with in my practice, ~and he does work really, uh, multiple components to his work, but~ he does. Reprogramming of the subconscious mind with my clients.

[00:01:52] Dr. Katie Deming: He also helps them with emotional processing and also with dealing with past emotional [00:02:00] trauma. ~Um,~ so welcome, Will. It's a pleasure to have you here. ~Um,~

[00:02:03] Will Hann: thank you so much yeah, inviting me.

[00:02:06] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, absolutely. So I think, you know, what might be interesting to start with is just to hear a little bit of your journey of how you came into doing this kind of work.

[00:02:17] Dr. Katie Deming: And one of the things that,~ um, you know,~ I mentioned a lot on my. ~Uh, ~different channels is psyche, which is one of the techniques that you use in the work.

[00:02:26] Dr. Katie Deming: And so, you know, kind of explaining how did you come into [00:02:30] doing this work and,~ um,~ yeah, I, I just want to hear your story.

[00:02:33] Will Hann: ~Okay. Um, I'll try and give you like a, just a brief background because my,~ my history is like probably, yeah, 25, 30 years of my own, self development work. So I'll try and condense it as, as much as quickly as I can. But, so from pretty much ever since I can remember, like I remember in my early teens, I just felt like something was missing.

[00:02:46] Will Hann: and so I was always looking for something to make myself feel better. I feel like,~ um,~ I think that I've suffered from depression, even though I didn't realize it at the time. So for a lot of my years,~ um,~ I really struggled. Um, I was very much an introvert, very shy, just felt [00:03:00] very disconnected with people.

[00:03:01] Will Hann: And so I knew that there was something more inside me. I've always had that feeling that, that I had something more to give. And so I went out and looked everywhere I could to try and shift whatever was going on within me. And so I went down the rabbit hole of self development. And for pretty much for 20 plus years, I tried everything I could.

[00:03:20] Will Hann: And I'm, I tried conventional things. I tried very unconventional things. And no matter what I did, nothing really seemed to work. I always feel like there was something just not [00:03:30] quite right. And I, and after a while I thought maybe, maybe it's I'm broken. Maybe that I just can't be healed. And, but I'm a very stubborn person, so I just kept going.

[00:03:39] Will Hann: I kept looking. And I just happened to be watching a YouTube video on,~ um,~ I think it was a Bruce Lipton YouTube video, and he was talking about something. I can't even remember what he was talking about. And he mentioned this thing called Psyche, and I don't know why, but this thing just, like, something just hit me like a ton of bricks, and I'm, and I got all emotional, I had tears [00:04:00] sort of like running down my eyes, I'm like, what's going on?

[00:04:02] Will Hann: And I sat with her, and I had this intuition come up that this thing called Psyche, whatever the hell it is, is the answer, and I just had this knowing that this was going to change my life. And so I googled Psyche to find out about it and I discovered that they were actually going to be doing a two day workshop on how to do the Psyche process in my city for the first time ever.

[00:04:24] Will Hann: ~And so I'm like, ~this is like more than a coincidence. And so I signed up, I went to this, back then it was a two day [00:04:30] program. And after the first day of the program, my life was completely different. And I felt. I feel like I was a whole new version of myself just after one day of the program. And so,~ And so, um, I,~ life was never the same after that.

[00:04:41] Will Hann: So that's sort of how I discovered Psyche.

[00:04:43] Dr. Katie Deming: Wow. I love that. And I, I'm curious actually what felt different after just one day,

[00:04:50] Will Hann: my, my thoughts, my mind chatter, usually it's a very negative mind chatter. ~Uh, ~but my mind was just very still, very silent, more positive. [00:05:00] And I just, I felt. Like, how I, I felt more authentic, I felt more like my true self.

[00:05:06] Dr. Katie Deming: like more comfortable in yourself.

[00:05:08] Will Hann: yes, that's exactly it, yeah. I didn't feel like I was wearing this mask.

[00:05:11] Will Hann: ~Um, ~yeah, I could let go of that mask once and for all. And so, ~um, ~yeah, it was an amazing day and something I'll never forget.

[00:05:17] Dr. Katie Deming: ~Yeah, I love that. ~Well, glad that you never gave up. And I think this is what's so interesting is this story is so universal. We all have that feeling like something's missing. Something's not quite right. And I think it's a lifelong path [00:05:30] to, like, find What it is that you're here to do and your, you know, ~um, ~kind of your intuition will lead you if you

[00:05:37] Will Hann: Yeah, exactly.

[00:05:38] Dr. Katie Deming: love hearing that story of how your intuition guided you.

[00:05:42] Will Hann: Yeah, so that got me to, that made me discover Psyche and then I can maybe give you a bit of background around how I got into the healing journey and how I'm working with people on their healing journey. and so I did a lot of work around Psyche. I shifted so many things. I felt completely different. I thought everything was going [00:06:00] amazingly.

[00:06:00] Will Hann: So this was like probably five or six years after discovering Psyche. And so life was doing really well. And this intuition thing popped up again and it said that, I was living in Brazil at the time and this intuition said, I, you,~ um,~ you need to go do some plant medicine. And I really didn't know nothing about plant medicine.

[00:06:16] Will Hann: So I just,~ um,~ I sat with it for a while and I trusted my intuition. And so I went to this, uh, plant medicine ceremony and during that ceremony I was given this awareness that. I thought I was okay, but really, I had suppressed [00:06:30] all this past trauma, all this trauma that I thought I dealt with, ~ um,~ during the ceremony, I was given this awareness, it's like, uh uh, you haven't dealt with it, you've just suppressed it, that's all you've done, you've just pushed it so far down that you're not even aware of it, and here it is.

[00:06:41] Will Hann: And so, it was a really confronting experience. Um, ceremony and so I had to then use the Psyche because Psyche is really good for healing old trauma. And so I had the tool there to sort of work and do that stuff on my own past trauma. Because,~ um,~ previously I, I wouldn't work with people around [00:07:00] trauma,~ um,~ and I didn't really resonate with it.

[00:07:01] Will Hann: But after that. Healing journey of my own, I started having this,~ um,~ almost like a calling to help other people with their trauma and, and help them because I find a lot of people suppress their trauma. They feel like they've healed it, but really just like me, they've just suppressed it. And so now I do a lot of work with around people.

[00:07:18] Will Hann: Yeah. Finding that true healing and letting that stuff go. Yeah.

[00:07:24] Dr. Katie Deming: I, you, the, there are multiple components to the work that you do, but one of the big things that [00:07:30] you do when we work together is helping people release emotional trauma. And so I'm wondering if you want to talk a little bit about that ~and,~ and what you see in, in how, you know, working with people through this can be really impactful and change their lives.

[00:07:46] Will Hann: Yeah, so I've worked with a lot of,~ uh,~ worked with a lot of people over the years and when we, we can work with surface level stuff, but I don't like working with that surface level symptom stuff. I like to like sort of dig deep and go, okay, what's behind that? What's behind [00:08:00] that? And all the time when we keep digging deeper and deeper, it always come back to the same stuff.

[00:08:05] Will Hann: It always come back to some things that happened in the past that was a bit traumatic. And someone hadn't quite learned to, to process, to let go. And so the more I do this work, the, the more I understand that so many things has just related back to those old past traumas that people didn't know how to deal with because we're taught not to allow ourselves to be emotional. When we're children, we [00:08:30] hurt ourselves and generally a parent will. Uh, want to come and try and take that pain away, but like a loving parent doesn't want to see their child in pain, and so they'll say things, they'll,~ um,~ try to do whatever it takes to take the pain away from the child. They'll say things like, it's not that bad, it's okay, stop crying, if you stop crying we'll give you some sort of reward.

[00:08:49] Will Hann: And so that child quickly learns that they need to start suppressing those emotions. Even when I say kids are at school,~ uh,~ they can get teased if they're emotional,~ um,~ [00:09:00] siblings and friends can be like, they can be, it can be pretty bad when,~ um, when,~ when you're emotional, ~like, yeah,~ they can pick on you, tease you, things like that.

[00:09:06] Will Hann: So we learn to suppress things pretty quickly. ~And that's where a lot of the, ~that's where a lot of our problems begin by holding onto that stuff.

[00:09:12] Dr. Katie Deming: And so. ~Can you talk through, like, you know, one of the things that I,~ before working with you and, and my clients, I, ~you know,~ basically thought for someone to heal trauma, they had to go back in and they had to talk about it and they had to, and, and honestly, I saw some people re traumatized by just [00:09:30] doing the therapy that was supposed to help with the trauma.

[00:09:33] Dr. Katie Deming: So I'm wondering, can you describe The techniques that you use, are they requiring people to go back in and consciously relive these experiences? Or what is that? What does it even look like?

[00:09:44] Will Hann: so yeah, so that's a really good point because,~ um, ~yeah, if you're not doing the technique, if you're not doing,~ um,~ the healing properly, you can reinforce that trauma. Because what's going on is that we're actually,~ um,~ two separate minds. We have this conscious mind that we're aware of, but then we also have [00:10:00] this subconscious mind.

[00:10:01] Will Hann: That, uh, we're unaware of. If you think of the, uh, the actual meaning of the word subconscious,~ um,~ is below awareness. So most of the time, this stuff, we're below awareness. And the language of the subconscious mind is emotion. And so what happens is when we're traumatized, we suppress that emotion, and we push it down into that subconscious.

[00:10:22] Will Hann: And I just, and, but we hold onto it, but we're not even aware of it. And so what the process does, is instead of using our [00:10:30] conscious mind, which is the verbal language, which we're just constantly talking about it, talking about it, that can actually maybe reinforce the trauma. ~Um, ~so what we do is we actually go into the feeling side of things and, and heal through the subconscious mind, not the conscious mind.

[00:10:45] Will Hann: So that's why this technique is so amazing when it comes to healing, because we're actually going to the root of where that trauma sits.

[00:10:52] Dr. Katie Deming: And so I love what you just said because the healing of the subconscious mind is accessed through the [00:11:00] feeling. Rather than the verbal talking, which is so interesting. I, I think that like, you know, at least when I first heard about that, I, I was like, Oh, wow, that's, that's different. So when you're doing healing with people around the trauma, it's really going to the emotions and.

[00:11:20] Dr. Katie Deming: Tell me what's happening like not necessarily the mechanism of exactly how this is happening But what~ what is it that bringing up the motions? ~are you doing with bringing up the emotions and and how is that helping them release? the [00:11:30] trauma

[00:11:30] Will Hann: So, emotions are meant to be expressed, not repressed. And so, ~what I do is I just,~ I allow the, the client to be able to give them the space. to be able to feel into those emotions. A lot of the time people are really scared to feel into the emotions because they feel like,~ um,~ they won't be able to control the emotions, um, it'll just keep getting worse and worse.

[00:11:49] Will Hann: And so there's a lot of fear around feeling into those things because they don't want to relive the trauma, they don't want to just like keep being on this vicious circle. It's about giving yourself that space to be able to feel [00:12:00] those things. And really just, just the, the process of allowing yourself to feel is healing in itself.

[00:12:05] Will Hann: Like whenever someone has a big cry, at the end of the big cry, they generally feel a lot better because they've just released these things. And so it's about identifying maybe what that trauma is, but then How is it showing up emotionally? What were they feeling as a child? Another good thing about this process is that with really old childhood trauma, a lot of the time we don't have conscious awareness around it because it happened so long ago.

[00:12:29] Will Hann: So this [00:12:30] process allows you to heal even if you don't have that conscious memory of the trauma. You can still get in touch with the feeling and allow yourself to feel that and process that and release that.

[00:12:40] Dr. Katie Deming: ~I Love it well and ~well and also one other thing that just through my own experience because I Also have worked with will ~and~ and done the site K techniques with him in process, but one of the things that that in learning about Psyche K, um, when I was first learning about this was understanding that [00:13:00] the brain, when people go into emotions, they can either get very right brain dominant and become like emotional, or they can, if they're left brain dominant, they can become overly analytical.

[00:13:11] Dr. Katie Deming: And either way, Then experiencing the emotions like you described, we're meant to experience emotions and not suppress them. It becomes scary to experience emotions. Either we're going to become overly emotional and kind of lose it and, you know, be like a puddle on the floor, or we're going to just explain it away [00:13:30] and be.

[00:13:30] Dr. Katie Deming: You know, totally analytical about it. And this process allows activation of both sides of the brain when they're processing those emotions. So there, it creates an environment that makes it, ~um,~ easier to experience and allow those emotions to flow through you. Is that, am I saying that correct?

[00:13:51] Will Hann: So yeah, it just allows those two distinct hemispheres to be able to communicate and to be able to process and to let that emotion go instead of it being trapped. ~Um,~

[00:13:58] Dr. Katie Deming: ~ ~someone will say, like, I [00:14:00] went through 10 years of therapy. Like, how long does it take when you're using this kind of process to deal with trauma? Like, is it years of doing Psyche?

[00:14:10] Will Hann: so it might be hard to believe, but when I work with people, I do something called like a rapid, ~um,~ trauma transformation with people, and we can sometimes go through three or four distinct traumas in that session and process them and heal those things. So it's a really rapid process. Like once you identify [00:14:30] what the trauma is, you can go through the process and the process itself.

[00:14:34] Will Hann: I've had people go maybe like five minutes. to release the trauma,~ um,~ sometimes 10, 15. I've had one person who was there for an hour, but that's very, very rare. It only happened once, but for most people, it's like 2 to 10 minutes to release and to heal an old trauma.~ It's like, ~sounds too good to be true, but I've seen this thing hundreds of times, and it still blows me away to see how someone is at the start of that process and at the end.

[00:14:59] Will Hann: [00:15:00] they, they look so much lighter, they, their face changes, their, like, their posture changes. It's just an amazing process. I'll never get tired of seeing the results of this process. It's incredible.

[00:15:11] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well, and I've seen it through my clients who go and see you and then come back and they're like I had this huge release that I didn't even know was there,

[00:15:20] Dr. Katie Deming: you know, around whatever it was from

[00:15:23] Dr. Katie Deming: their past. So it is

[00:15:24] Dr. Katie Deming: it.

[00:15:25] Will Hann: Yeah. It's incredible. so everyone says, like when I ask them, how do they feel at the end of that process? Everyone [00:15:30] says the exact same thing, like exact. So I'm not going to say what it is here because I don't want to like. Um, plan the seed in anyone's mind, ~um,~ in case they wouldn't, when they do the process, but they all feel the same at the end.

[00:15:40] Will Hann: It's amazing.

[00:15:40] Dr. Katie Deming: I love that. And so tell me with, in addition to helping people. process and release emotional trauma from the past. One of the things that I love that you teach clients is how to become fluent with their emotional processing so that they don't suppress for future, [00:16:00] you know, so that we don't create problems in the future in our body by suppressing now and.

[00:16:06] Dr. Katie Deming: I mean, you spoke a little bit about this, that we are emotional beings, we're intended to experience emotions, but maybe you can talk a little bit about that, because it's not just releasing the past trauma, it's like, how do we then not re traumatize ourselves with just living life and having emotions that are suppressed in what we're experiencing?

[00:16:25] Will Hann: Yeah, I think it's about, ~the to ~Honor their own feelings and stop suppressing their [00:16:30] feelings. It's, it's like, it's a new muscle that people learn. and the, the old habit is to suppress and to And people have realized that that's not healthy. Like it, it shows up in, uh, self sabotage.

[00:16:42] Will Hann: It'll show up in health conditions. Like holding onto that. old emotional trauma is so damaging in so many ways. And people, when they feel so much better, they realize that, okay, this is the way to deal with emotion. It's about honoring them, feeling them, um, even noticing where they show up in the body and just allowing those [00:17:00] emotions to show up when they need to. Often what happens when we go on a healing journey with a client, Emotions will just start popping up out of nowhere. And this happened for me as well. Like when I went on my healing journey, in the middle of nowhere I would just start, tears would just start rolling down my eyes and all this emotion would just pop out of nowhere no reason. The old me would have just like, flicked the switch, pushed that down. But, but, I now realize that I just need to allow whatever's showing up just to be, just to be released and to be heard and to be seen. so clients quickly learn [00:17:30] that for themselves just because they feel so much better once they learn to feel,

[00:17:33] Will Hann: as you say, like we're emotional creatures, we're meant to feel, we're not meant to be this logical,

[00:17:38] Will Hann: emotionalist

[00:17:38] Will Hann: creature.

[00:17:39] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, and it's like really a relearning you described most of us were programmed to suppress it, right? So this is like once they have that experience of releasing emotional trauma Then they start to learn how to experience emotions as a healthy human being So that they don't become sick from those [00:18:00] emotions and allowing them to flow through them

[00:18:02] Will Hann: ~just~ Yeah, it just feels so natural for people that they just do it, start doing that automatically.

[00:18:06]

[00:18:06] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well, and also when you give people skills, because one of the things that happens when we've been trained or programmed into not allowing our emotions is that either we fear them, right? So the, let's just use, you know, going into the right brain and we become like overly emotional that people are then afraid to feel their emotions, right?

[00:18:27] Dr. Katie Deming: Because I'm going to lose it. Or then [00:18:30] they are overly analytical. And so the. You know, those are coping mechanisms. So like you said, it's a muscle that they're learning how to not go to those old patterns, but just to allow it. and I think that then it's like becomes a model too for me with my kids now I model for them.

[00:18:50] Dr. Katie Deming: What does it look like when it's okay to be sad? It's okay to have feelings and emotions that come up and it doesn't mean anything's like wrong. You know, [00:19:00] there's just, this is. kind of what's coming up for me and modeling for them, you know, a new way of being. So I love that.

[00:19:06] Will Hann: yeah. That's such a common thing with my clients with children. They, yeah, they pass that wisdom onto their kids and just allow them to express themselves and not suppress the emotions like we were taught in the past. when you learn that for yourself, it can definitely

[00:19:20] Will Hann: be a

[00:19:20] Will Hann: generational

[00:19:21] Will Hann: impact.

[00:19:21] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah,

[00:19:22] Dr. Katie Deming: I've definitely seen that within my family. And I'm also cautious about the language that I use when I'm comforting my [00:19:30] daughters, because of course you want to take away the pain, but it's like no allowing them to have the emotions and express the emotions and help them feel safe. And cared for in having that experience, which is, that's what we really want for them.

[00:19:44] Dr. Katie Deming: That's what we want for anyone is for them to feel the people that we love to feel safe and comforted in whatever they're experiencing.

[00:19:53] Will Hann: it's not safe to express. That's the reason why a lot of people, that's why we do not express this because there's [00:20:00] no safety. So yeah, if you can give your child that safe environment to express, that's going to be so beneficial.

[00:20:05] Will Hann: ~Yeah.~

[00:20:05] Dr. Katie Deming: I love that.

[00:20:06] Dr. Katie Deming: And so can you talk a little bit about reprogramming the subconscious mind? So we talked a little bit about our trauma , but tell us about this difference between the subconscious and the conscious mind and how can you can reprogram the subconscious mind and how that can be

[00:20:21] Dr. Katie Deming: impactful for someone's

[00:20:22] Dr. Katie Deming: health and and Well, being

[00:20:24] Will Hann: Yeah, so I think I mentioned before that, yeah, so we have the conscious mind, the subconscious mind. [00:20:30] percent of the time we are living from that subconscious mind. So it's almost like this autopilot that we are just going through the day. You can notice this a lot of the time when you first learn to drive.

[00:20:45] Will Hann: I remember when I learned to drive manual and it just seemed impossible. I had like three pedals,~ like~ but only two feet. And so I was thinking, how does anyone do this? Like it's impossible.~ anyone do ~but what's going on is that we're using that conscious part of our mind. to try and [00:21:00] drive the car. And the conscious mind isn't really that powerful. It can only do so many things at once. Not, it can't do many things at once, actually., And so what happens after a while, when we do that. Um, driving when we do that repetitive task so many times, it'll actually get moved into the subconscious mind. So the subconscious mind is where we have all the habits, uh, where we have, Um, our common beliefs, how we see the world.

[00:21:21] Will Hann: Um, and so you think about it now when you drive, you're not even really thinking about it. Often you'll be like driving and you'll be like, was that like a red light or like you don't even remember [00:21:30] consciously cause you're just, you know, this automatic pilot. And so it's not just driving. We do this, we do this in so many things. and often. when you talk about say like health related things, um, when someone wants to say eat better, generally they start off for eating a really healthy breakfast, maybe a healthy lunch, but when they get tired, when that conscious mind sort of starts to get depleted with that willpower, we then start to move back to those old subconscious eating habits and we can eat crap food at night.

[00:21:55] Will Hann: Generally people eat the bad food at night and so that's what's happening is that subconscious [00:22:00] pattern is taking over again. ~And so ~if we don't have a supporting subconscious belief, we're going to be constantly reverting back to those old bad patterns. And so that's why the Psyche process works so amazingly, because there's many processes out there that will change the subconscious mind to give you those empowering beliefs to be able to support you.

[00:22:19] Will Hann: Um, but I find that. Psyche is one of the quickest and subconscious belief change

[00:22:25] Will Hann: processes I've ever come across. It's amazing. I've tried so many,

[00:22:28] Will Hann: but this

[00:22:28] Will Hann: is just, yeah, this is [00:22:30] amazing.

[00:22:30] Dr. Katie Deming: and so what are some examples of things that you can reprogram that may be sabotaging someone's ability to get healthy?

[00:22:37] Will Hann: we can do stuff around identity. When someone goes to the gym all the time, it's because it's part of their identity. They're a fit person. And so you can change that subconscious identity. to be a different way. Um, we can do stuff around actual beliefs.

[00:22:53] Will Hann: Let

[00:22:54] Will Hann: me give you some examples. ~ ~

[00:22:55] Dr. Katie Deming: like let's say smoking like the like a prime example. Can you use this to help [00:23:00] someone stop smoking?

[00:23:01] Will Hann: Yeah. So anything, any habits we can change with cause it's all subconscious patterns. Um, so I've helped people with smoking, also phobias as well because phobia is just a belief around something or just have this fear around something. So I've helped people remove fears around bees and spiders and All sorts of things, cockroaches, so that's, and that's really quick and simple.

[00:23:24] Will Hann: That's, that's amazing. ~another example with health is, um, trying to think now. ~Another example is, uh, allergies. And so I [00:23:30] had so many allergies when I was a kid. I was allergic to pretty much everything. I was allergic to like yeast and, um, I was allergic~ to ~to cats, dogs. dust, pollen, like pretty much everything and anything I was allergic to.

[00:23:41] Will Hann: ZyK could actually remove my allergies, I was like a little bit sceptical. I'm like, how? Like, it can't be that easy because I've had these things all my life. And that a lot of allergies is, is a trauma response. And so what can happen is when the body goes through a traumatic event. It'll look at everything in its environment [00:24:00] and think that maybe, maybe this thing in the environment was, the cause of the trauma. And so if there was like cat hair in the environment, when I was, when I went through a trauma, my body would then want to avoid the cat hair. And so when I actually, I didn't do anything around cat hair, I actually healed the old trauma And my cat. allergy went away.

[00:24:20] Will Hann: My gluten allergies went away. all my allergies went. so now I can eat gluten, I can have a cat. Before I would walk into someone's house, and as soon as I stepped in their house, I could [00:24:30] feel my eyes itchy. and I like, how do you know? I only just took one step, and I can feel it, that's how allergic I was.

[00:24:37] Will Hann: I couldn't, if I rubbed my eye, I would be all this, but now it's like, yeah, there's no problems at all. So yeah, allergies is a really big one.

[00:24:44] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and I love that you shared that 'cause I was allergic to cats too. And, um, we even, we had a cat before where I had to shave the cat. I felt so bad. This like cat, you know, looked like this naked mole rat because I could not have the hair on the cat, but my daughter [00:25:00] was gonna be devastated if I didn't have the cat.

[00:25:01] Dr. Katie Deming: So when the cat passed away. This was like in the summer of 2022. I told my daughter, I'm like, I'm, I can't get another cat because I just am miserable. Like my eyes and just like everything you described. but my daughter wanted a cat so bad that I was like. You know what? Maybe I can ~ ~use subconscious programming.

[00:25:20] Dr. Katie Deming: So I did that. And then basically we got two cats with like the most hair. I'm like, I don't, I bought the cats with like the most hair possible. Ragdoll cats that are just like [00:25:30] these, like complete fur balls and I can hold them, they sleep with me and. I, I'm

[00:25:37] Dr. Katie Deming: not having any allergies, which is amazing. So I know that this works and I know also that people are like, you're crazy if you think that allergies can be reprogrammed.

[00:25:46] Dr. Katie Deming: But I'm telling you that I did that just because I was like, I, I knew the power of the subconscious and I knew some of these techniques. So I just went ahead

[00:25:55] Dr. Katie Deming: and

[00:25:55] Will Hann: did it.

[00:25:55] Will Hann: and, and I have, you know, two

[00:25:57] Dr. Katie Deming: fur balls

[00:25:57] Will Hann: to,

[00:25:58] Dr. Katie Deming: to prove

[00:25:58] Dr. Katie Deming: it

[00:25:59] Will Hann: Yeah, if it [00:26:00] didn't

[00:26:00] Will Hann: happen to me, I would think that it was a crazy notion as well. I wouldn't

[00:26:03] Will Hann: believe it unless I'd

[00:26:05] Will Hann: been through it, so.

[00:26:05] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well, I love that. So, you know, I think this has been great because my goal with this episode was to introduce My listeners to these different modalities because psyche is just one modality and you I know you work You know psyche into like a bigger kind of healing approach that you have to your patients But I'm wanting to introduce These different modalities so that people can see okay, if [00:26:30] you have a history of trauma, you don't have to just go do traditional therapy.

[00:26:34] Dr. Katie Deming: There are these other techniques that can be more effective and helping to process the trauma. And then also teaching people how to. Be with their emotions. And I know the power of your work. So, thank you so much for being with me today. And I'm wondering if you?

[00:26:47] Dr. Katie Deming: can share just where can people find you? So if people, after listening to this, want to know more about your work or, um, what you're

[00:26:54] Dr. Katie Deming: doing, where, where can they find you?

[00:26:56] Will Hann: Yeah, um, so probably the easiest way to find me is, um, Instagram would be, [00:27:00] yeah, one of the easiest, so if you just search for my name, Will Han, H A N N, uh, Trauma Healer, and yeah, you'll find me there. You can just send me a message, um, or even on Facebook, you can, um, find me on there pretty easy, and just send me a message, and yeah, we can just have a chat if you want to sort of know anything more about, yeah, healing and letting go of some old

[00:27:16] Dr. Katie Deming: Perfect. Well, I'm so grateful for the work that you do. and thank you so much for being here today.

[00:27:22] Will Hann: No, my pleasure, thank you. [00:27:30] ​

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[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming: On today's episode, we are talking about Psyche K, a technique for releasing past trauma, Processing emotions and also programming the subconscious mind. And the reason why I'm doing this episode is, this emotional component to healing from illness.

[00:00:20] Dr. Katie Deming: And so one of the techniques that I use with my current clients is psych K. so I've invited Will Hann, who is a psych K [00:00:30] practitioner, and actually one who works with my clients. ~And he is Basically explaining the technique and what we're doing. ~

[00:00:32] Dr. Katie Deming: And~ And also I think~ a lot of the questions that I get around the emotional work is, ~you know,~ do you need to relive the trauma?

[00:00:40] Dr. Katie Deming: And is this potentially going to re traumatize someone?

[00:00:43] Dr. Katie Deming: And so he answers all of those questions about what does this work look like? How long does it take? Is it painful? You know, is it effective? and really giving an, a picture of, of what it would be like to explore this technique. So I know you're going to enjoy this.

[00:00:59] Dr. Katie Deming: Stay [00:01:00] tuned.

[00:01:00] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:01:30] ~today~ I am excited to be joined by Will Hann, who is a practitioner that I work with in my practice, ~and he does work really, uh, multiple components to his work, but~ he does. Reprogramming of the subconscious mind with my clients.

[00:01:52] Dr. Katie Deming: He also helps them with emotional processing and also with dealing with past emotional [00:02:00] trauma. ~Um,~ so welcome, Will. It's a pleasure to have you here. ~Um,~

[00:02:03] Will Hann: thank you so much yeah, inviting me.

[00:02:06] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, absolutely. So I think, you know, what might be interesting to start with is just to hear a little bit of your journey of how you came into doing this kind of work.

[00:02:17] Dr. Katie Deming: And one of the things that,~ um, you know,~ I mentioned a lot on my. ~Uh, ~different channels is psyche, which is one of the techniques that you use in the work.

[00:02:26] Dr. Katie Deming: And so, you know, kind of explaining how did you come into [00:02:30] doing this work and,~ um,~ yeah, I, I just want to hear your story.

[00:02:33] Will Hann: ~Okay. Um, I'll try and give you like a, just a brief background because my,~ my history is like probably, yeah, 25, 30 years of my own, self development work. So I'll try and condense it as, as much as quickly as I can. But, so from pretty much ever since I can remember, like I remember in my early teens, I just felt like something was missing.

[00:02:46] Will Hann: and so I was always looking for something to make myself feel better. I feel like,~ um,~ I think that I've suffered from depression, even though I didn't realize it at the time. So for a lot of my years,~ um,~ I really struggled. Um, I was very much an introvert, very shy, just felt [00:03:00] very disconnected with people.

[00:03:01] Will Hann: And so I knew that there was something more inside me. I've always had that feeling that, that I had something more to give. And so I went out and looked everywhere I could to try and shift whatever was going on within me. And so I went down the rabbit hole of self development. And for pretty much for 20 plus years, I tried everything I could.

[00:03:20] Will Hann: And I'm, I tried conventional things. I tried very unconventional things. And no matter what I did, nothing really seemed to work. I always feel like there was something just not [00:03:30] quite right. And I, and after a while I thought maybe, maybe it's I'm broken. Maybe that I just can't be healed. And, but I'm a very stubborn person, so I just kept going.

[00:03:39] Will Hann: I kept looking. And I just happened to be watching a YouTube video on,~ um,~ I think it was a Bruce Lipton YouTube video, and he was talking about something. I can't even remember what he was talking about. And he mentioned this thing called Psyche, and I don't know why, but this thing just, like, something just hit me like a ton of bricks, and I'm, and I got all emotional, I had tears [00:04:00] sort of like running down my eyes, I'm like, what's going on?

[00:04:02] Will Hann: And I sat with her, and I had this intuition come up that this thing called Psyche, whatever the hell it is, is the answer, and I just had this knowing that this was going to change my life. And so I googled Psyche to find out about it and I discovered that they were actually going to be doing a two day workshop on how to do the Psyche process in my city for the first time ever.

[00:04:24] Will Hann: ~And so I'm like, ~this is like more than a coincidence. And so I signed up, I went to this, back then it was a two day [00:04:30] program. And after the first day of the program, my life was completely different. And I felt. I feel like I was a whole new version of myself just after one day of the program. And so,~ And so, um, I,~ life was never the same after that.

[00:04:41] Will Hann: So that's sort of how I discovered Psyche.

[00:04:43] Dr. Katie Deming: Wow. I love that. And I, I'm curious actually what felt different after just one day,

[00:04:50] Will Hann: my, my thoughts, my mind chatter, usually it's a very negative mind chatter. ~Uh, ~but my mind was just very still, very silent, more positive. [00:05:00] And I just, I felt. Like, how I, I felt more authentic, I felt more like my true self.

[00:05:06] Dr. Katie Deming: like more comfortable in yourself.

[00:05:08] Will Hann: yes, that's exactly it, yeah. I didn't feel like I was wearing this mask.

[00:05:11] Will Hann: ~Um, ~yeah, I could let go of that mask once and for all. And so, ~um, ~yeah, it was an amazing day and something I'll never forget.

[00:05:17] Dr. Katie Deming: ~Yeah, I love that. ~Well, glad that you never gave up. And I think this is what's so interesting is this story is so universal. We all have that feeling like something's missing. Something's not quite right. And I think it's a lifelong path [00:05:30] to, like, find What it is that you're here to do and your, you know, ~um, ~kind of your intuition will lead you if you

[00:05:37] Will Hann: Yeah, exactly.

[00:05:38] Dr. Katie Deming: love hearing that story of how your intuition guided you.

[00:05:42] Will Hann: Yeah, so that got me to, that made me discover Psyche and then I can maybe give you a bit of background around how I got into the healing journey and how I'm working with people on their healing journey. and so I did a lot of work around Psyche. I shifted so many things. I felt completely different. I thought everything was going [00:06:00] amazingly.

[00:06:00] Will Hann: So this was like probably five or six years after discovering Psyche. And so life was doing really well. And this intuition thing popped up again and it said that, I was living in Brazil at the time and this intuition said, I, you,~ um,~ you need to go do some plant medicine. And I really didn't know nothing about plant medicine.

[00:06:16] Will Hann: So I just,~ um,~ I sat with it for a while and I trusted my intuition. And so I went to this, uh, plant medicine ceremony and during that ceremony I was given this awareness that. I thought I was okay, but really, I had suppressed [00:06:30] all this past trauma, all this trauma that I thought I dealt with, ~ um,~ during the ceremony, I was given this awareness, it's like, uh uh, you haven't dealt with it, you've just suppressed it, that's all you've done, you've just pushed it so far down that you're not even aware of it, and here it is.

[00:06:41] Will Hann: And so, it was a really confronting experience. Um, ceremony and so I had to then use the Psyche because Psyche is really good for healing old trauma. And so I had the tool there to sort of work and do that stuff on my own past trauma. Because,~ um,~ previously I, I wouldn't work with people around [00:07:00] trauma,~ um,~ and I didn't really resonate with it.

[00:07:01] Will Hann: But after that. Healing journey of my own, I started having this,~ um,~ almost like a calling to help other people with their trauma and, and help them because I find a lot of people suppress their trauma. They feel like they've healed it, but really just like me, they've just suppressed it. And so now I do a lot of work with around people.

[00:07:18] Will Hann: Yeah. Finding that true healing and letting that stuff go. Yeah.

[00:07:24] Dr. Katie Deming: I, you, the, there are multiple components to the work that you do, but one of the big things that [00:07:30] you do when we work together is helping people release emotional trauma. And so I'm wondering if you want to talk a little bit about that ~and,~ and what you see in, in how, you know, working with people through this can be really impactful and change their lives.

[00:07:46] Will Hann: Yeah, so I've worked with a lot of,~ uh,~ worked with a lot of people over the years and when we, we can work with surface level stuff, but I don't like working with that surface level symptom stuff. I like to like sort of dig deep and go, okay, what's behind that? What's behind [00:08:00] that? And all the time when we keep digging deeper and deeper, it always come back to the same stuff.

[00:08:05] Will Hann: It always come back to some things that happened in the past that was a bit traumatic. And someone hadn't quite learned to, to process, to let go. And so the more I do this work, the, the more I understand that so many things has just related back to those old past traumas that people didn't know how to deal with because we're taught not to allow ourselves to be emotional. When we're children, we [00:08:30] hurt ourselves and generally a parent will. Uh, want to come and try and take that pain away, but like a loving parent doesn't want to see their child in pain, and so they'll say things, they'll,~ um,~ try to do whatever it takes to take the pain away from the child. They'll say things like, it's not that bad, it's okay, stop crying, if you stop crying we'll give you some sort of reward.

[00:08:49] Will Hann: And so that child quickly learns that they need to start suppressing those emotions. Even when I say kids are at school,~ uh,~ they can get teased if they're emotional,~ um,~ [00:09:00] siblings and friends can be like, they can be, it can be pretty bad when,~ um, when,~ when you're emotional, ~like, yeah,~ they can pick on you, tease you, things like that.

[00:09:06] Will Hann: So we learn to suppress things pretty quickly. ~And that's where a lot of the, ~that's where a lot of our problems begin by holding onto that stuff.

[00:09:12] Dr. Katie Deming: And so. ~Can you talk through, like, you know, one of the things that I,~ before working with you and, and my clients, I, ~you know,~ basically thought for someone to heal trauma, they had to go back in and they had to talk about it and they had to, and, and honestly, I saw some people re traumatized by just [00:09:30] doing the therapy that was supposed to help with the trauma.

[00:09:33] Dr. Katie Deming: So I'm wondering, can you describe The techniques that you use, are they requiring people to go back in and consciously relive these experiences? Or what is that? What does it even look like?

[00:09:44] Will Hann: so yeah, so that's a really good point because,~ um, ~yeah, if you're not doing the technique, if you're not doing,~ um,~ the healing properly, you can reinforce that trauma. Because what's going on is that we're actually,~ um,~ two separate minds. We have this conscious mind that we're aware of, but then we also have [00:10:00] this subconscious mind.

[00:10:01] Will Hann: That, uh, we're unaware of. If you think of the, uh, the actual meaning of the word subconscious,~ um,~ is below awareness. So most of the time, this stuff, we're below awareness. And the language of the subconscious mind is emotion. And so what happens is when we're traumatized, we suppress that emotion, and we push it down into that subconscious.

[00:10:22] Will Hann: And I just, and, but we hold onto it, but we're not even aware of it. And so what the process does, is instead of using our [00:10:30] conscious mind, which is the verbal language, which we're just constantly talking about it, talking about it, that can actually maybe reinforce the trauma. ~Um, ~so what we do is we actually go into the feeling side of things and, and heal through the subconscious mind, not the conscious mind.

[00:10:45] Will Hann: So that's why this technique is so amazing when it comes to healing, because we're actually going to the root of where that trauma sits.

[00:10:52] Dr. Katie Deming: And so I love what you just said because the healing of the subconscious mind is accessed through the [00:11:00] feeling. Rather than the verbal talking, which is so interesting. I, I think that like, you know, at least when I first heard about that, I, I was like, Oh, wow, that's, that's different. So when you're doing healing with people around the trauma, it's really going to the emotions and.

[00:11:20] Dr. Katie Deming: Tell me what's happening like not necessarily the mechanism of exactly how this is happening But what~ what is it that bringing up the motions? ~are you doing with bringing up the emotions and and how is that helping them release? the [00:11:30] trauma

[00:11:30] Will Hann: So, emotions are meant to be expressed, not repressed. And so, ~what I do is I just,~ I allow the, the client to be able to give them the space. to be able to feel into those emotions. A lot of the time people are really scared to feel into the emotions because they feel like,~ um,~ they won't be able to control the emotions, um, it'll just keep getting worse and worse.

[00:11:49] Will Hann: And so there's a lot of fear around feeling into those things because they don't want to relive the trauma, they don't want to just like keep being on this vicious circle. It's about giving yourself that space to be able to feel [00:12:00] those things. And really just, just the, the process of allowing yourself to feel is healing in itself.

[00:12:05] Will Hann: Like whenever someone has a big cry, at the end of the big cry, they generally feel a lot better because they've just released these things. And so it's about identifying maybe what that trauma is, but then How is it showing up emotionally? What were they feeling as a child? Another good thing about this process is that with really old childhood trauma, a lot of the time we don't have conscious awareness around it because it happened so long ago.

[00:12:29] Will Hann: So this [00:12:30] process allows you to heal even if you don't have that conscious memory of the trauma. You can still get in touch with the feeling and allow yourself to feel that and process that and release that.

[00:12:40] Dr. Katie Deming: ~I Love it well and ~well and also one other thing that just through my own experience because I Also have worked with will ~and~ and done the site K techniques with him in process, but one of the things that that in learning about Psyche K, when I was first learning about this was understanding that the [00:13:00] brain, when people go into emotions, they can either get very right brain dominant and become like easier to experience and allow those emotions to flow through you. Is that

[00:13:10] Dr. Katie Deming: am I saying that correct?

[00:13:11] Will Hann: So yeah, it just allows those two distinct hemispheres to be able to communicate and to be able to process and to let that emotion go

[00:13:18] Will Hann: instead

[00:13:19] Will Hann: of it being trapped. ~Um,~

[00:13:19] Dr. Katie Deming: someone will say, like, I went through 10 years of therapy. Like, how long does it take when you're using this kind of process to deal with trauma? Like, is it [00:13:30] years of doing Psyche?

[00:13:31] Will Hann: so it might be hard to believe, but when I work with people, I do something called like a rapid, ~um,~ trauma transformation with people, and we can sometimes go through three or four distinct traumas in that session and process them and heal those things. So it's a really rapid process. Like once you identify what the trauma is, you can go through the process and the process itself.

[00:13:54] Will Hann: I've had people go maybe like five minutes. to release the trauma,~ um,~ sometimes 10, [00:14:00] 15. I've had one person who was there for an hour, but that's very, very rare. It only happened once, but for most people, it's like 2 to 10 minutes to release and to heal an old trauma.~ It's like, ~sounds too good to be true, but I've seen this thing hundreds of times, and it still blows me away to see how someone is at the start of that process and at the end.

[00:14:20] Will Hann: they, they look so much lighter, they, their face changes, their, like, their posture changes. It's just an amazing process. I'll never get tired of seeing [00:14:30] the results of this process. It's incredible.

[00:14:32] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well, and I've seen it through my clients who go and see you and then come back and they're like I had this huge release that I didn't even know was there,

[00:14:40] Dr. Katie Deming: you know, around whatever it was from

[00:14:43] Dr. Katie Deming: their past. So it is

[00:14:45] Dr. Katie Deming: it.

[00:14:45] Will Hann: Yeah. It's incredible. so everyone says, like when I ask them, how do they feel at the end of that process? Everyone says the exact same thing, like exact. So I'm not going to say what it is here because I don't want to like. Um, plan the seed in anyone's mind, ~um,~ in case they wouldn't, when they do the process, but they [00:15:00] all feel the same at the end.

[00:15:01] Will Hann: It's amazing.

[00:15:01] Dr. Katie Deming: I love that. And so tell me with, in addition to helping people. process and release emotional trauma from the past. One of the things that I love that you teach clients is how to become fluent with their emotional processing so that they don't suppress for future, you know, so that we don't create problems in the future in our body by suppressing now and.

[00:15:27] Dr. Katie Deming: I mean, you spoke a little bit about this, that we are emotional [00:15:30] beings, we're intended to experience emotions, but maybe you can talk a little bit about that, because it's not just releasing the past trauma, it's like, how do we then not re traumatize ourselves with just living life and having emotions that are suppressed in what we're experiencing?

[00:15:46] Will Hann: Yeah, I think it's about, ~the to ~Honor their own feelings and stop suppressing their feelings. It's, it's like, it's a new muscle that people learn. and the, the old habit is to suppress and to And people have realized that that's [00:16:00] not healthy. Like it, it shows up in, uh, self sabotage.

[00:16:03] Will Hann: It'll show up in health conditions. Like holding onto that. old emotional trauma is so damaging in so many ways. And people, when they feel so much better, they realize that, okay, this is the way to deal with emotion. It's about honoring them, feeling them, um, even noticing where they show up in the body and just allowing those emotions to show up when they need to. Often what happens when we go on a healing journey with a client, Emotions will just start popping up out of nowhere. And this happened for me as well. Like when I went [00:16:30] on my healing journey, in the middle of nowhere I would just start, tears would just start rolling down my eyes and all this emotion would just pop out of nowhere no reason. The old me would have just like, flicked the switch, pushed that down. But, but, I now realize that I just need to allow whatever's showing up just to be, just to be released and to be heard and to be seen. so clients quickly learn that for themselves just because they feel so much better once they learn to feel,

[00:16:54] Will Hann: as you say, like we're emotional creatures, we're meant to feel, we're not meant to be this logical,

[00:16:58] Will Hann: emotionalist

[00:16:59] Will Hann: [00:17:00] creature.

[00:17:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, and it's like really a relearning you described most of us were programmed to suppress it, right? So this is like once they have that experience of releasing emotional trauma Then they start to learn how to experience emotions as a healthy human being So that they don't become sick from those emotions and allowing them to flow through them

[00:17:23] Will Hann: ~just~ Yeah, it just feels so natural for people that they just do it, start doing that automatically.

[00:17:27]

[00:17:27] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well, and also when you [00:17:30] give people skills, because one of the things that happens when we've been trained or programmed into not allowing our emotions is that either we fear them, right? So the, let's just use, you know, going into the right brain and we become like overly emotional that people are then afraid to feel their emotions, right?

[00:17:48] Dr. Katie Deming: Because I'm going to lose it. Or then they are overly analytical. And so the. You know, those are coping mechanisms. So like you said, it's a muscle that they're [00:18:00] learning how to not go to those old patterns, but just to allow it. and I think that then it's like becomes a model too for me with my kids now I model for them.

[00:18:10] Dr. Katie Deming: What does it look like when it's okay to be sad? It's okay to have feelings and emotions that come up and it doesn't mean anything's like wrong. You know, there's just, this is. kind of what's coming up for me and modeling for them, you know, a new way of being. So I love that.

[00:18:27] Will Hann: yeah. That's such a common thing with my [00:18:30] clients with children. They, yeah, they pass that wisdom onto their kids and just allow them to express themselves and not suppress the emotions like we were taught in the past. when you learn that for yourself, it can definitely

[00:18:41] Will Hann: be a

[00:18:41] Will Hann: generational

[00:18:42] Will Hann: impact.

[00:18:42] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah,

[00:18:43] Dr. Katie Deming: I've definitely seen that within my family. And I'm also cautious about the language that I use when I'm comforting my daughters, because of course you want to take away the pain, but it's like no allowing them to have the emotions and express the emotions and help them [00:19:00] feel safe. And cared for in having that experience, which is, that's what we really want for them.

[00:19:05] Dr. Katie Deming: That's what we want for anyone is for them to feel the people that we love to feel safe and comforted in whatever they're experiencing.

[00:19:14] Will Hann: it's not safe to express. That's the reason why a lot of people, that's why we do not express this because there's no safety. So yeah, if you can give your child that safe environment to express, that's going to be so beneficial.

[00:19:26] Will Hann: ~Yeah.~

[00:19:26] Dr. Katie Deming: I love that.

[00:19:27] Dr. Katie Deming: And so can you talk a little bit about [00:19:30] reprogramming the subconscious mind? So we talked a little bit about our trauma , but tell us about this difference between the subconscious and the conscious mind and how can you can reprogram the subconscious mind and how that can be

[00:19:42] Dr. Katie Deming: impactful for someone's

[00:19:43] Dr. Katie Deming: health and and Well, being

[00:19:45] Will Hann: Yeah, so I think I mentioned before that, yeah, so we have the conscious mind, the subconscious mind. percent of the time we are living from that subconscious mind. So it's almost like this autopilot that we are just [00:20:00] going through the day. You can notice this a lot of the time when you first learn to drive.

[00:20:05] Will Hann: I remember when I learned to drive manual and it just seemed impossible. I had like three pedals,~ like~ but only two feet. And so I was thinking, how does anyone do this? Like it's impossible.~ anyone do ~but what's going on is that we're using that conscious part of our mind. to try and drive the car. And the conscious mind isn't really that powerful. It can only do so many things at once. Not, it can't do many things at once, actually., And so what happens after a while, when we do [00:20:30] that. Um, driving when we do that repetitive task so many times, it'll actually get moved into the subconscious mind. So the subconscious mind is where we have all the habits, uh, where we have, Um, our common beliefs, how we see the world.

[00:20:42] Will Hann: Um, and so you think about it now when you drive, you're not even really thinking about it. Often you'll be like driving and you'll be like, was that like a red light or like you don't even remember consciously cause you're just, you know, this automatic pilot. And so it's not just driving. We do this, we do this in so many things. and often. when you talk about say like health [00:21:00] related things, um, when someone wants to say eat better, generally they start off for eating a really healthy breakfast, maybe a healthy lunch, but when they get tired, when that conscious mind sort of starts to get depleted with that willpower, we then start to move back to those old subconscious eating habits and we can eat crap food at night.

[00:21:16] Will Hann: Generally people eat the bad food at night and so that's what's happening is that subconscious pattern is taking over again. ~And so ~if we don't have a supporting subconscious belief, we're going to be constantly reverting back to those old bad patterns. [00:21:30] And so that's why the Psyche process works so amazingly, because there's many processes out there that will change the subconscious mind to give you those empowering beliefs to be able to support you.

[00:21:40] Will Hann: Um, but I find that. Psyche is one of the quickest and subconscious belief change

[00:21:45] Will Hann: processes I've ever come across. It's amazing. I've tried so many,

[00:21:49] Will Hann: but this

[00:21:49] Will Hann: is just, yeah, this is amazing.

[00:21:51] Dr. Katie Deming: and so what are some examples of things that you can reprogram that may be sabotaging someone's ability to get healthy?

[00:21:57] Will Hann: we can do stuff around identity. [00:22:00] When someone goes to the gym all the time, it's because it's part of their identity. They're a fit person. And so you can change that subconscious identity. to be a different way. Um, we can do stuff around actual beliefs.

[00:22:14] Will Hann: Let

[00:22:14] Will Hann: me give you some examples. ~ ~

[00:22:16] Dr. Katie Deming: like let's say smoking like the like a prime example. Can you use this to help someone stop smoking?

[00:22:22] Will Hann: Yeah. So anything, any habits we can change with cause it's all subconscious patterns. Um, so I've helped people with smoking, [00:22:30] also phobias as well because phobia is just a belief around something or just have this fear around something. So I've helped people remove fears around bees and spiders and All sorts of things, cockroaches, so that's, and that's really quick and simple.

[00:22:44] Will Hann: That's, that's amazing. ~another example with health is, um, trying to think now. ~Another example is, uh, allergies. And so I had so many allergies when I was a kid. I was allergic to pretty much everything. I was allergic to like yeast and, um, I was allergic~ to ~to cats, dogs. dust, [00:23:00] pollen, like pretty much everything and anything I was allergic to.

[00:23:02] Will Hann: ZyK could actually remove my allergies, I was like a little bit sceptical. I'm like, how? Like, it can't be that easy because I've had these things all my life. And that a lot of allergies is, is a trauma response. And so what can happen is when the body goes through a traumatic event. It'll look at everything in its environment and think that maybe, maybe this thing in the environment was, the cause of the trauma. And so if there was like cat hair in the environment, when I was, when I went through a [00:23:30] trauma, my body would then want to avoid the cat hair. And so when I actually, I didn't do anything around cat hair, I actually healed the old trauma And my cat. allergy went away.

[00:23:41] Will Hann: My gluten allergies went away. all my allergies went. so now I can eat gluten, I can have a cat. Before I would walk into someone's house, and as soon as I stepped in their house, I could feel my eyes itchy. and I like, how do you know? I only just took one step, and I can feel it, that's how allergic I was.

[00:23:58] Will Hann: I couldn't, if I rubbed my eye, I would [00:24:00] be all this, but now it's like, yeah, there's no problems at all. So yeah, allergies is a really big one.

[00:24:04] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and I love that you shared that 'cause I was allergic to cats too. And, um, we even, we had a cat before where I had to shave the cat. I felt so bad. This like cat, you know, looked like this naked mole rat because I could not have the hair on the cat, but my daughter was gonna be devastated if I didn't have the cat.

[00:24:22] Dr. Katie Deming: So when the cat passed away. This was like in the summer of 2022. I told my daughter, I'm like, I'm, I can't get another cat because [00:24:30] I just am miserable. Like my eyes and just like everything you described. but my daughter wanted a cat so bad that I was like. You know what? Maybe I can ~ ~use subconscious programming.

[00:24:41] Dr. Katie Deming: So I did that. And then basically we got two cats with like the most hair. I'm like, I don't, I bought the cats with like the most hair possible. Ragdoll cats that are just like these, like complete fur balls and I can hold them, they sleep with me and. I, I'm

[00:24:58] Dr. Katie Deming: not having any allergies, [00:25:00] which is amazing. So I know that this works and I know also that people are like, you're crazy if you think that allergies can be reprogrammed.

[00:25:07] Dr. Katie Deming: But I'm telling you that I did that just because I was like, I, I knew the power of the subconscious and I knew some of these techniques. So I just went ahead

[00:25:16] Dr. Katie Deming: and

[00:25:16] Will Hann: did it.

[00:25:16] Will Hann: and, and I have, you know, two

[00:25:18] Dr. Katie Deming: fur balls

[00:25:18] Will Hann: to,

[00:25:19] Dr. Katie Deming: to prove

[00:25:19] Dr. Katie Deming: it

[00:25:19] Will Hann: Yeah, if it didn't

[00:25:20] Will Hann: happen to me, I would think that it was a crazy notion as well. I wouldn't

[00:25:24] Will Hann: believe it unless I'd

[00:25:25] Will Hann: been through it, so.

[00:25:26] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well, I love that. So, you know, I think this has [00:25:30] been great because my goal with this episode was to introduce My listeners to these different modalities because psyche is just one modality and you I know you work You know psyche into like a bigger kind of healing approach that you have to your patients But I'm wanting to introduce These different modalities so that people can see okay, if you have a history of trauma, you don't have to just go do traditional therapy.

[00:25:55] Dr. Katie Deming: There are these other techniques that can be more effective and helping to process the [00:26:00] trauma. And then also teaching people how to. Be with their emotions. And I know the power of your work. So, thank you so much for being with me today. And I'm wondering if you?

[00:26:08] Dr. Katie Deming: can share just where can people find you? So if people, after listening to this, want to know more about your work or, um, what you're

[00:26:14] Dr. Katie Deming: doing, where, where can they find you?

[00:26:16] Will Hann: Yeah, um, so probably the easiest way to find me is, um, Instagram would be, yeah, one of the easiest, so if you just search for my name, Will Han, H A N N, uh, Trauma Healer, and yeah, you'll find me there. You can just send me a message, um, or even on Facebook, you can, um, find [00:26:30] me on there pretty easy, and just send me a message, and yeah, we can just have a chat if you want to sort of know anything more about, yeah, healing and letting go of some old

[00:26:37] Dr. Katie Deming: Perfect. Well, I'm so grateful for the work that you do. and thank you so much for being here today.

[00:26:43] Will Hann: No, my pleasure, thank you. [00:27:00] ​

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