Episode 136 | Stop Avoiding These Foods If You Want to Heal | Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride, Neurologist & Nutritionist

[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming: You cleaned up your diet to heal, but what if you removed the exact foods your body needs to rebuild? Welcome to Born to Heal the podcast, helping people with cancer go beyond western medicine to heal naturally through the ancient power of prolonged water fasting so you can ditch the toxic protocols. Take control of your health and let your body do what it was designed to do, heal. I'm your host, Dr. Katie

[00:00:27] Dr. Katie Deming: Deming. In part one of my conversations [00:00:30] with Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride, we unpacked why the human body may not thrive on plants alone, and how modern dietary advice may be missing something fundamental.

[00:00:40] Dr. Katie Deming: Today we go deeper into what the body actually needs to repair, regulate, and rebuild. In this episode, you'll discover the key nutrient missing in many cancer and metabolic healing protocols. How to understand cravings as part of your body's repair process and why cholesterol is far more [00:01:00] connected to healing than you've been led to believe.

[00:01:03] Dr. Katie Deming: This conversation challenges a lot of assumptions, but if you're serious about healing, it's one you need to hear. Let's dive in.

[00:01:10] Dr. Katie Deming: I wanna shift a little bit and I wanna talk about some of the things in animal foods that are so important for people to heal that people are missing out when they're doing these plant-based diets.

[00:01:21] Dr. Katie Deming: And the first is fats. So. I know from when I left Western Medicine and started helping people heal naturally. That [00:01:30] fat, that that calming the nervous system was the absolute most important thing that needed to happen as part of someone's healing plan. That if people were just, you know, so nervous and anxious and cancer is, you know, one of the things that I think people are most afraid of, if you can't calm the nervous system, you can't help them heal.

[00:01:51] Dr. Katie Deming: Another thing that I found was that. You actually need to get the diet right to help them calm their nervous system before you do any [00:02:00] work, like emotional work or that kind of thing. And fats were really the key to that. And particularly animal fats. Can you talk about this, the importance of animal fats in calming the nervous system and the importance of that in healing?

[00:02:13] Dr Natasha: Absolutely. 50% of you is fat.

[00:02:16] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:02:16] Dr Natasha: Fat is not optional. It's just as important as protein. You know, the, the ancient cultures around the world. And, uh, we've got diaries of the first, Westerners, first Europeans who were traveling across the [00:02:30] North America. When it got colonized, and, uh, they met American Indians, the, the, the native people of America.

[00:02:37] Dr Natasha: And, uh, they explained to these Europeans that you cannot eat lean muscle without the same amount of fat. You must the, the must be no for every muscle of the animal. Bit of meat. Bit of meat. You must eat the same amount of fat only then they work together. Well because this, this reflects the con composition of your body.[00:03:00]

[00:03:00] Dr Natasha: 70% water or 90% and what's left, 50 50 protein and fat. And the proteins, the only proteins that are appropriate and the only fats that are appropriate are from animal foods, pork, lamb, beef, deer, goose, duck, chicken, so on. So fats are absolutely fundamental. And if you think about the nervous system of the human being, it's a high fat organ.

[00:03:24] Dr Natasha: Very high fat. Your brain is a very hard, high fat organ, and your body in use itself all the time. [00:03:30] Practically every cell in your body lives a very short life. It dies. It, it works very hard, it gets worn out. It dies, and it gets replaced by a new born cell. So your body is constantly giving birth to trillions of new baby cells.

[00:03:44] Dr Natasha: You know that you do that. Building materials are required. These cells need to be made from something, and these building materials come from food. The only suitable building materials for human body are animal foods. Plants do not feed you. Plants are [00:04:00] only cleanses. Plants are wonderful to have. They give us colors, flavors, fun, but they do not feed us.

[00:04:07] Dr Natasha: They're indigestible. They made out of wrong proteins, wrong fats, and lots of poisonous chemicals, downright poisonous, which damage our human bodies. So we have to consume plants very, very carefully and in very small amounts. Overall, the only purpose of plants, of consumption of plants is cleansing, cleansing hands.

[00:04:28] Dr Natasha: Cancer is a very [00:04:30] toxic situation. you know, a, a person usually has a very large accumulation of toxicity in the body when they develop this disease. so plants are cleansing. That is why some protocols, such as geron protocol is vegan,

[00:04:43] Dr. Katie Deming: Mm-hmm.

[00:04:44] Dr Natasha: because plants only cleanse, they don't feed you. That is why you cannot be vegan forever.

[00:04:50] Dr Natasha: Once you finished cleansing, once the cleansing is over, you have to start feeding yourself and your body will give you a signal. I've stopped [00:05:00] cleansing now I finished cleansing. Feed me. I'm hungry. How will your body give you that? It'll give you a desire for a roast chicken, for a pot of cream, for a piece of creamy cheese, for eggs and bacon for animal foods, because the true hunger in a human being.

[00:05:18] Dr Natasha: Can only be for animal foods. When you're hungry and you want a piece of pizza, that's not hunger, that's addiction because pizza's addictive. That's, that's, that's addiction. You know, true hunger [00:05:30] is always for animal foods and usually for the fat. So fats are absolutely essential and it is a fundamental, fundamental medicine.

[00:05:39] Dr Natasha: For every chronic disease in the world, particularly for people who are addicted to carbohydrates, addicted to sugars, chocolate, wheat, pizza, bagels, and so on, and bread and so on. Pasta. You need to eat lots and lots of animal fats to in, in order to overcome these addictions. When your body is [00:06:00] asking for chocolate, when you, when you crave chocolate or crave something sweet, the reality is your body's craving fat.

[00:06:06] Dr Natasha: For animal fats, increase your fat consumption and your craving for chocolate and sugar will disappear.

[00:06:12] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and you know, what you described there in terms of the fasting, uh, you know, that, that a plant or a vegan diet is really a cleanse and really like a. And that, I think there is some truth, right? That there's a benefit to doing cleansing with people who are, have cancer.

[00:06:29] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:06:30] Because like you said, the toxic burden is so high. So there's some benefit there, but it's been taken to this extreme that, oh, you're supposed to just eat a plant-based diet or a vegan diet forever. And actually the reason why I started fasting people was because. I realized that prolonged fasting was beneficial.

[00:06:49] Dr. Katie Deming: And then I was like, well, there's fasting centers. So I started sending patients to fasting centers and then they refed them with just plant-based diets. 'cause many of the fasting [00:07:00] centers are just plant-based. And so then they were refeeding people with cancer, with lectins, with starches, you know, rice.

[00:07:09] Dr. Katie Deming: And all this fruit juices and all of these things that I know are not right when you think about cancer as a metabolic condition. And I was like, oh my gosh, I can't send them. So I had to start fasting people myself if I wanted them to get the benefits of fasting. Then also be refed in the proper way.

[00:07:27] Dr. Katie Deming: And you know, the beautiful thing, what you're saying is so true because [00:07:30] take someone 30 days without food and then, you know, I have people who come to me and they're doing a plant-based diet and then they're like, oh no, you know? But in order to come and fast with me, they have to agree that they will be reed with animal foods.

[00:07:45] Dr. Katie Deming: And so they're all nervous about it. But you know what's so interesting? Is they come out and they crave it and they're like, I'm shocked. I haven't eaten any meat in 20 years, and the first thing that I'm craving is chicken, or you know, red [00:08:00] meat. And it's true, what you're saying is absolutely true. When people get rid of the addictions of the food, of all the stuff that we've been eating that is so inflammatory and so bad for us, and they come out so clean.

[00:08:12] Dr. Katie Deming: The food that they crave is actually exactly what you just described. I had a gentleman who just started refeeding after a 30 day fast. Yesterday he finished 30 days and he's been on, meat stock, but no meat, just the, the stock for now, for a couple days. And he said, [00:08:30] I am just, I haven't eaten chicken.

[00:08:32] Dr. Katie Deming: He hasn't eaten chicken in I don't know how many years. And he said. All I can think about is this chicken stock is just amazing and I can't wait till I can have the chicken. So I love it.

[00:08:44] Dr Natasha: well, in this book, vegetarianism Explain. Which will come out soon under the name. Don't be a vegetarian. I have a whole chapter on fasting and in that chapter I explain in detail stage by stage, day by day how to come out from a long, [00:09:00] fast

[00:09:00] Dr. Katie Deming: I love it. I.

[00:09:01] Dr Natasha: on, on animal foods because you are absolutely right.

[00:09:05] Dr Natasha: I, I fasted several times in my life as well and the first few times I fasted in, in fasting centers in Europe and well established, and they just do their other best to turn you into a vegan. At the end of the fast, they try to feed you, start feeding your own vegan stuff. You know, yes, they sprout some grains and you know, but it's all vegan and you crave animal foods when you come out of a fast because [00:09:30] only animal foods feed us and nourish us and build our bodies, and that your body is never lying.

[00:09:37] Dr Natasha: Your body is completely honest. Listen to your body, listen to what it's telling you.

[00:09:41] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. You know, one other thing that I would love to have you comment on, because one of the things that I see, particularly in the cancer space, people who are, they know cancer is a metabolic condition, but yet they're trying to do like a ketogenic diet with. You know, plant-based foods, and so [00:10:00] they're eating just tons of nuts and seeds and tell, tell, please talk about this because, I think people are totally misinformed about this and the, the antinutrients and really the inflammatory, you know, the eating so many nuts or bodies are not designed to do that.

[00:10:15] Dr. Katie Deming: So I'd love to hear you speak to that.

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[00:11:09] Dr Natasha: [00:10:30] [00:11:00] absolutely. First of all, not a very rich in arginine, which oppose an an amino acids lysine. To heal from cancer, you need tons of lysine and you want to avoid arginine. 'cause arginine will swing your immune system in such a way that you become prone to viruses and and prone to other problems and other processes in the body, which [00:11:30] are.

[00:11:30] Dr Natasha: Cancer promoting. So it's not a good idea to eat nuts when you have cancer. Absolutely. Definitely not a good idea to eat grains. Not a good idea to eat beans, potatoes, and certainly not processed carbohydrates, such as things made out of flour and sugar and vegetables. Vegetables or poisons for everybody.

[00:11:50] Dr Natasha: Nobody should be eating vegetable oils. Nobody should be cooking on them. Nobody should be buying them. The only vegetable oil you should buy is cold pressed virgin olive [00:12:00] oil. Or any other cold pressed oil, which are expensive and you only drizzle them on already served meals. You never cook with them, you never hit them because if you hit them, you destroy them.

[00:12:10] Dr Natasha: Cooking should be done on animal fats, on pork fat. Lamb fat, beef fat, goose fat, duck fat, gh. These fats are stable. You can, you cannot overdose on them. Just have as much as your heart desire. The more the better, and uh, you can, my grandmother didn't use to wash her frying pump because you can reuse [00:12:30] this.

[00:12:30] Dr Natasha: These fats, they don't get damaged by heat while vegetables in the bottle. When you buy them, they already mutilated. They chemically mutilated, they're damaged because they're polyunsaturated. They're very fragile. They easily damaged by heat, oxygen, light, solvents, and all of these things are employed in the factories when they're extracted from the plant matter.

[00:12:51] Dr Natasha: So nobody should be buying vegetable oil, they cause cancer. You know, the initial epidemic of heart disease that Americans got at the beginning of the 20th [00:13:00] century? When this big question was raised, where does the heart disease come from? Why do we suddenly get all these heart attacks and, angina in people?

[00:13:10] Dr Natasha: Because if you look at the old textbooks of, 19th century and even the first couple of decades of 20th century, heart disease was so rare. It wasn't even described in the medical books. It was an extremely rare disorder. And I'll tell you where it came from. Crisco. That company started making vegetable oils for [00:13:30] cooking and launched a very powerful, promotion campaign advertising, to convince all the households, particularly in the South of America, where they did their fried fried chicken and they fried their chicken in pork fat, always traditionally to replace the pork fat with this crico.

[00:13:47] Dr Natasha: When households in America started doing that and people started consuming this vegetable 'cause Crisco is a vegetable, oil made out of corn and soya and, and other things. hardis disease appeared in [00:14:00] America. And then of course this man called Ansel Keys came out of nowhere in, in 1952 and proposed this idea, maybe it's caused by fat.

[00:14:10] Dr Natasha: You know, people who knew him and then wrote about him later on, told him that there was a, a man without honor, basically, that's how they put it. He was a liar, and he concocted this graph to deceive the whole world. But because there were not no other ideas at the time, American government picked it up and run with it, and institutions were set up and money [00:14:30] started pouring in.

[00:14:31] Dr Natasha: No other hypothesis in the world. Had so much money, so much effort spent on it in trying to prove it because hypothesis is not the truth. It's only a hypothesis. You have to prove it. The more the scientists all over the world try to prove it, the more they've proven it wrong. But problem is while the science was working on this hypothesis, very powerful and very wealthy industries have grown up on this hypothesis.

[00:14:54] Dr Natasha: Food industries making billions, pharmaceutical industries making billions. Western governments are making billions medical industries, [00:15:00] making billions on the idea that cholesterol and fats cause heart disease, and the more the scientists are standing up, the one scientists are saying cholesterol and fats don't cause heart disease.

[00:15:11] Dr Natasha: They reverse it and prevent it. The stronger becomes propaganda from all these corporations. They control the medical education. They control the way medics, act. They control the what, what information goes to the population. As a result, uh, they win the, the, the, the propaganda war.

[00:15:28] Dr. Katie Deming: I'm so glad that you brought this up because [00:15:30] this was one of the things I thought we would do it in another interview, but let's just go for it. You know, cholesterol, right? So people are measuring their cholesterol and they're. You know, saying, my doctor's saying my cholesterol is elevated and I need to go on a statin.

[00:15:43] Dr. Katie Deming: And I'm always like, oh my gosh, get off your statin. Like if there's one drug you do not need to be on. Can you please describe how this happened with the cholesterol and the numbers that people are shooting for? Because the number of what used to be considered a normal cholesterol was higher than what it [00:16:00] is, you know, today.

[00:16:01] Dr. Katie Deming: And that all coincided with statins coming on the scene. Is that correct?

[00:16:06] Dr Natasha: I've written this book on this subject called Put Your Heart in Your Mouth. Please Read this book. It'll explain to you where the whole idea comes from. It's called a Diet heart Hypothesis, and what actually causes heart disease. What do you actually need to prevent it and reverse it and be healthy? Be, be free of heart disease.

[00:16:26] Dr Natasha: The first thing I will advise everybody, never test for [00:16:30] cholesterol. Don't allow the doctor to test your blood cholesterol. It's a game created by pharmaceutical industry. There are no right levels of cholesterol in the blood. They do not exist from the point of view of the grand creator in nature. Whatever cholesterol is in your blood is the right level for you at that moment, because cholesterol is one of the most important molecules in the future. We cannot live without it. We cannot live without cholesterol. About 40% of all cholesterol [00:17:00] that floats in your blood, the brain sponges up because the brain uses about 40% of your brain structure is cholesterol.

[00:17:08] Dr Natasha: The other 40% are saturated fatty acids. On top of that, the brain uses these molecules for, producing all kinds of molecules that it, it, it, it function, it allows it to function, enzymes and hormones and, and other molecules, proteins, and various other things which are lipoproteins, which are absolutely essential.

[00:17:28] Dr Natasha: Without cholesterol, your immune system [00:17:30] will not work, it'll collapse. It is a fact that people who have low levels of cholesterol in their blood, Get cancer two, three times more often and die from infections four times more often because the immune system doesn't work. You cannot heal anything in your body without cholesterol.

[00:17:48] Dr Natasha: No healing can happen from any scratch, any trauma after an operation, after a dental treatment, after anything like this like that, you will not heal if you, if you don't have enough cholesterol from [00:18:00] cholesterol. All steroid hormones are made in the body. All your sex hormones are steroids. Without cholesterol, we will not be able to have children to procreate Without cholesterol, we'll not be able to produce stress hormones.

[00:18:12] Dr Natasha: This means we will not be able to cope with daily pressure, with stress, with, things we have to do on a day. We will just fall apart. We have nervous breakdowns without cholesterol. Vitamin D will not be produced in your skin because it's made out of cholesterol. These are just a few functions that are a myriad of various functions.

[00:18:29] Dr Natasha: Because this [00:18:30] molecular is so vital for the human body, we cannot live without it. Mother Nature equipped us with a factory that manufactures cholesterol, and this factory is in your liver. Your liver maintains the blood level of your cholesterol in you. So even if you are not eating a drop of cholesterol, not one molecular of cholesterol, because cholesterol in your blood doesn't come from food.

[00:18:54] Dr Natasha: It comes from that factory in your liver. Your liver will just have to work harder to manufacture more cholesterol, [00:19:00] but it will put the right amounts into your blood to be delivered to your brain, to your adrenals, to your sex glands, to your skin, to any place of trauma, any place that needs to be healed in your body.

[00:19:11] Dr Natasha: So whatever level of cholesterol you have in your blood is the right level for you at that particular moment. Your body is doing something, don't interfere.

[00:19:21] Dr Natasha: The only way you cannot reduce blood cholesterol through diet because diet doesn't have any effect on blood cholesterol. It's your liver that maintains it.

[00:19:29] Dr Natasha: [00:19:30] The only way to reduce blood cholesterol is by taking Statins. Pharmaceutical drugs, which break that factory in your liver, they stop it. So your liver is not able to produce cholesterol, and of course your blood cholesterol reduces. But what happens then your brain starts starving. Your memory goes, your character changes.

[00:19:49] Dr Natasha: You become grumpy, grouchy, aggressive, unpleasant. You know, there was a, an amazing, set of studies done in American prisons by Dr. Pfeiffer and, and his [00:20:00] group in the eighties, but they measured cholesterol levels in, uh, violent offenders, people who committed murder and other horrible crimes. And they found that practically all of them had very low levels of cholesterol.

[00:20:13] Dr Natasha: That is why they committed these crimes. Their brains were starving and that's why they became aggressive. And the the critique disappears. The, the ability to think straight, to learn to memorize things disappears. When a person has [00:20:30] low levels of cholesterol, why did they have low levels of cholesterol?

[00:20:33] Dr Natasha: Because that factory in the liver can be broken not only by statins, but by illicit drugs, by alcohol. By smoking and by nutritional deficiencies. If a person is not eating correctly, if they live on Coca-Cola and pizza, they'll have, they'll have low blood cholesterol. They will have these problems. So breaking that factor in your liver is not a good idea.

[00:20:58] Dr Natasha: That is why we did not [00:21:00] have Alzheimer's disease before statins were invented. Alzheimer's disease is caused by statins. And our pharmaceutical industry, it's the number one profit maker for our, for the big pharma. That is why they promote these drugs, and that is why every doctor is brainwashed to sell these drugs to everybody and convince everybody to take them.

[00:21:17] Dr. Katie Deming: When the doctors are held by standards that they have to, if they don't comply with, you know, their patient's cholesterol levels aren't brought down to a certain level, they're penalized in the way that they're paid.[00:21:30] understand the system. You see how it just, it's so, it makes me sick actually.

[00:21:36] Dr Natasha: It's a highly profitable industry. Cholesterol, just like oncology. Oncology is a highly profitable industry, and so is cholesterol. It's a hugely profitable industry. It's a game made bar, Rockefeller medicine and by big pharma. Why would you want to play that game?

[00:21:51] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:21:52] Dr Natasha: Yeah, why would you want to engage in it?

[00:21:54] Dr Natasha: That is why never allow your doctor to test your blood for cholesterol, because you'll be under pressure to sit on [00:22:00] statins and you'll be scared to death and you'll just create anxiety for yourself.

[00:22:04] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, I wanna, actually, one other topic that I really wanted to tackle with you is about the microbiome and immune function, because specifically with people with cancer. The immune, they understand that immune function is so important. And now you know, people are starting to understand this connection between the microbiome and immune function.

[00:22:24] Dr. Katie Deming: And I'm wondering if you can talk about how does diet, particularly plant heavy diets [00:22:30] versus diets that include animal foods influence the gut microbiome and its ability to support healthy immune function.

[00:22:36] Dr Natasha: The majority of humanity now has damaged microbiome. Your body is a microbial community. Draw more microbes in you than human cells. In fact, scientists gave us a figure now, you know the research in microbiome, they're telling us that 90% of all cells in your body are microbes. So your body is 90%. So that's your, a microbial community.

[00:22:58] Dr Natasha: Your body and every microbial [00:23:00] community in nature has can function only on balance and harmony. That means that all microbes need to be present in it because they all control each other and they don't allow any one member of this community to get out of control and start causing trouble. It's like a, a fully equipped, orchestra with a good conductor.

[00:23:21] Dr Natasha: The music it plays is beautiful. It's a symphony. It's beautiful music. But if some instruments are missing, other instruments suddenly [00:23:30] become too loud or, or, you know, work in dissonance. You get cacophony. You don't get a, a beautiful, symphony. So a healthy microbiome is a very diverse microbiome and the basis of every microbiome.

[00:23:44] Dr Natasha: Every microbial community in nature are fungi. They're the most important members because they grow hundreds, meters, hundreds of meters long hyphy, long, long, long protrusions with many branches. And the, uh, diameter of every hyphy is about a hundred times bigger than a [00:24:00] bacterium is. Viruses are even smaller, and, and there are other various, there are key and various other, other creatures in there.

[00:24:05] Dr Natasha: So fungi really create a road work in the microbial community. Along that road work, bacteria, viruses, and other small creatures create their little hamlets and villages and towns and cities. And this road work of fungal red work brings nutrients, brings water, takes the waste away, inflammation travels through, through that sort of fungal network.

[00:24:29] Dr Natasha: And, you know, being a [00:24:30] farmer and I'm, I'm finishing now my farming book. Which will be for people who want to start producing their food and want to be self-sufficient. So that book should come out this year. my farming book, so if you look at the soil, it's a microbial community and the basis of it is Risa Risa, which is a fungal network, hundreds of meters long Phi along which other microbes live, and humus is built and all sorts of other things.

[00:24:56] Dr Natasha: The same thing happens in your gut, so your gut flora. [00:25:00] It's the big hub where the government of that microbial community lives, where all the roads come there, like, you know, all the roads go to Rome. all the roads go into, into your gut. Why? Because that's where we place food. Food is the most powerful influence on any microbial community in nature.

[00:25:18] Dr Natasha: You change food supply to a microbial community in the Petri dish in the lab. Everything will change in a couple of hours. Certain microbes will disappear, other microbes will appear out of nowhere and the whole microbial community [00:25:30] will change. There is nothing more powerful the influence on the micro community than food.

[00:25:35] Dr Natasha: And that means that there is nothing more powerful and its influence on your health than food that you eat because your body is a microbial community. Trouble is people nowadays eat antibiotics for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And in between, plus antibiotics they get from doctors, from the pharmacists.

[00:25:55] Dr Natasha: Why? How's how that happens? because majority of agricultural [00:26:00] chemicals that are used in the industrial agriculture are broad spectrum antibiotics in their nature. The most ubiquitous and the most malicious one malevolent is glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup herbicide. It damages your microbial community in the body on a fundamental level, glyphosate is used several times during the growing season of most commodity crops.

[00:26:24] Dr Natasha: and it's the tragedies that it's used are just before harvest because it desiccate the crop, [00:26:30] makes the crop dry, so it's easy for the farmers to harvest it, particularly if the weather is wet. So every piece of bread that you eat nowadays. Every, spoonful of sugar, every vegetable, oil, potatoes, any vegetable are laced with glyphosate, muting large amounts of broad spectrum antibiotic for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and in between.

[00:26:54] Dr Natasha: And that damages your microbial community. It kills off a certain members of that microbial [00:27:00] community consistently, and as a result, other members of the microbial community start overgrowing and the whole balance is gone. The harmony is gone. So instead of a symphony of health, your body has a cacophony of disease.

[00:27:14] Dr Natasha: This is the basis of every chronic disease. It is called GAPS, gut and psychology syndrome. Gut and Physiology syndrome. I have two books on this subject, which I can show Gut and Psychology Syndrome is the yellow book that one focuses on the brain. [00:27:30] Learning disability in children, any psychiatric disorder, all problems, all bunches of symptoms that the brain can produce are gaps, all of them, and gut and physiology syndrome. The Blue Book, this one, focuses on the rest of the body on autoimmunity, allergies, neurological disorders, hormonal abnormalities, and all sorts of other physical conditions.

[00:27:50] Dr Natasha: They come together, these books, they don't replace each other and what they present the person with is a solution. How to bring back balance in your into [00:28:00] their body, which is a microbial community. How to bring that beautiful symphony, that beautiful music back in the balance, the harmony. And that is done through a nutritional protocol called the Gaps Nutritional Protocol.

[00:28:13] Dr Natasha: And the central piece of it is Gaps Diet. Because food is the most powerful influence on any microbial community in nature, and your body is a microbial community. So food, food, food has to be changed and it is the most powerful medicine in [00:28:30] the world.

[00:28:30] Dr. Katie Deming: I could just talk to you forever, but I am so grateful for the work that you do and the truth that you share and the lives that you've changed. You know, I, Monica, you know, helps me with the refeeding in my fasting program, and you know, she works with you in the gaps work. I just am so grateful for your knowledge and for you being willing to come on the show and speak with me and really speak truth because [00:29:00] there are so few doctors who are speaking truth and able to articulate it in the way that you do.

[00:29:07] Dr. Katie Deming: So I just wanna say thank you so much for being on the show. If people are interested in learning more about you, you've shown the books, which are. absolutely a great place to start and especially, you know, the, vegetarianism. I love the new name. Tell me the name again.

[00:29:23] Dr Natasha: Don't be a vegetarian.

[00:29:25] Dr. Katie Deming: be a vegetarian. Perfect name for that book is a great place to start if people have questions [00:29:30] about this, but then all of your books, is there a place online that, that people can find you?

[00:29:35] Dr Natasha: Well, they sold on Amazon. They sold on, yes, they, they're sold on all, on all the major platforms. You will find them if you put my name in there and if you put the name of the books Perfect. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. It's been absolutely my

[00:29:49] Dr Natasha: you. Thank you very much for inviting me and thank you for your, very much for your work. Can I just say that on my website, dr natasha.com And that's dr [00:30:00] natasha.com.

[00:30:00] Dr Natasha: I have a masterclass, which I have launched recently and it is, uh, because I run training courses and Monica has been trained. She's a gap coach. We have GAPS practitioners and gaps coaches. Which are on gaps training.com. We train practitioners, people with qualifications to turn into gaps.

[00:30:19] Dr Natasha: Practitioners and coaches have to have certain qualifications as well. So Monica is, is one of the coaches and she's, she's wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. So I thought there was a place [00:30:30] for a course where people don't have to have qualifications. Where people who are completely new to this and who have a chronic illness or trying to heal a loved one, have a, a child that has a problem, autistic child, for example, hyperactive child, or a child with diabetes type one, or allergies or digestive disorders, or some rheumatoid arthritis, for example, juvenile arthritis and so on.

[00:30:54] Dr Natasha: or, or they're hearing themselves or, or somebody else in their family so they could [00:31:00] go on that course and learn everything about human health. And get the true information on how to heal, how to heal from a, a chronic illness without running around from doctor to doctor and from place to place. So I've created this GAPS Masterclass, and it is, it doesn't require you to have any prior qualification or any prior training, of any sort, and it'll give you the full information.

[00:31:25] Dr. Katie Deming: So what we explored today goes right to the foundation of healing. We talked about how [00:31:30] animal fats are not optional. They're essential building materials for your body and play a critical role in calming the nervous system, which is foundational for any kind of healing. We unpacked cholesterol and why it's not something to fear, but one of the most vital molecules in your body necessary for your brain, your hormones, your immune system, and your ability to repair and recover.

[00:31:56] Dr. Katie Deming: And finally we looked at the gut microbiome and how your [00:32:00] body is really a microbial ecosystem and how the foods you eat are the most powerful force shaping your immune function and overall health. When you start to understand these pieces, you begin to see that healing isn't about restriction. It's about giving your body what it actually needs to rebuild.

[00:32:19] Dr. Katie Deming: If you found today's episode helpful and you're ready to take radical ownership of your health today, subscribe to The Born to Heal podcast now so you don't [00:32:30] miss the answers that conventional medicine never gave you.

[00:32:33] Dr. Katie Deming: Thank you for listening and remember, just like me, you are born to heal.