Episode 116 | Why She Chose a 29 Day Water Fast Over Chemotherapy & Radiation for Cancer with Therapist Geneva Jacobs

[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Hello, I'm Dr. Katie Deming and this is The Born Heal Podcast where we share holistic healing through lifestyle, nutrition, emotional balance, and spiritual alignment. Let's welcome to the show Geneva Jacobs. Welcome, Geneva.

[00:00:13] Geneva Jacobs: Hi. Thanks for having me.

[00:00:15] Dr. Katie Deming: It's so nice to have you. So Geneva's, a therapist from Canada and she recently completed a 29 day water only Fast.

[00:00:24] Dr. Katie Deming: Me and has since joined my team, lucky me, um, to help support my [00:00:30] clients in water fasting. So, you know, Geneva water fasting can be a life changing experience. I know that just from witnessing people go through this, I'd love to have you share like, what made you choose to do a water fast first, and then what about your life has changed as a result of doing the water fast.

[00:00:51] Geneva Jacobs: Okay, so that's a big question and I have a lot going on in my mind about it. first off though, I think it relates back to [00:01:00] my mother's cancer journey. So my mother had had cancer at about the same age that I am, and she went through all of the, um. regular treatments, chemotherapy, radiation, mastectomy, um, clinical trials, and when that was happening for her.

[00:01:20] Geneva Jacobs: And when I witnessed all of that, I decided that if it ever happened to me, that that would not be the road that I took. So [00:01:30] when that did happen to me, I got cancer diagnosis, I. And I went down the holistic road. So I did everything that I knew and had researched about that I could, that I could afford. and I did pretty well. I did pretty well. However, I did have to have a surgery. And,after I had, after that, I had a bunch of diagnosis and I got into the system.I refused [00:02:00] chemo and radiation. I just could not do it. I still, like, I checked in about it and I still could not do it, even though I know so much has changed in that industry.

[00:02:08] Geneva Jacobs: for me it wasn't the right decision. So, um, fast forward a year I had a recurrence.and at that point I knew that I had to. Go all in. Somehow I had to show myself that I had done my very absolute best effort. [00:02:30] And I had heard a snippet on social media about Dr. John Poll, Gerald Pollock, Dr. Gerald Pollock, talking about water and cancer.

[00:02:41] Geneva Jacobs: So I put that into the Google search engine, and the first thing there was your podcast interview with him. And I just knew I was in exactly the right place because all of the other interviews were about things that were completely in alignment for me. Lots of things I had done, [00:03:00] lots of things that I had been knowing that I should do, and I, I immediately, for the very first time on this whole journey was like, I have to do what, what she's doing.

[00:03:15] Geneva Jacobs: So, so that was the fast and when I heard about, 30 Day Fast and the results you were getting, and I had been hearing about Fast kind of in the background and, you know, curious about it, but I never thought I would do [00:03:30] it. but this was the thing that I knew if I do that I will know I've done my absolute best because that sounds.

[00:03:38] Geneva Jacobs: Incredibly intense and challenging. So I knew it was for me, and that's how I got here. It has changed my life profoundly, dramatically in many little ways that I, um, would never have expected.and I'd say

[00:03:56] Geneva Jacobs: some of the, some of the simple things are less. [00:04:00] I'm now an activated morning person. I get up and I'm ready to go and I'm excited about my day, which has not happened in years. I can't even remember ever being a morning person. So now I am like awake and alert and ready to go and activated for the whole day, which is incredible to feel that level of activation and motivation for my days.

[00:04:24] Geneva Jacobs: I had to do a Myers-Briggs test, which I had. Done in the past. and I knew that [00:04:30] I was, I kind of knew what I was, but I couldn't quite remember. So I redid the test and I, I have become more on the extroverted side than the introverted side. And that shows, um, because I was very, very private about my whole story, just because of my work and my small community.

[00:04:51] Geneva Jacobs: I was keeping it really close because I didn't want it to affect, affect those things and I'm quite a reserved person generally. [00:05:00] since the fast it felt too constricting on my soul is the way it feels to me to keep things so private and close to my. Close to my chest. So I've since shared a lot more about my experience and I feel just much more comfortable within myself with people and social interactions and just out and about and things like that.

[00:05:24] Geneva Jacobs: And so I can, like, I can feel that and it's incredible. I didn't think that's something that could [00:05:30] change about a person.there's a lot more, but I guess I'll leave it there for now.

[00:05:35] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. Well that's interesting. So I, the every day, literally every day I get a message from someone about something else that fasting heals. So I'm like, okay. Yesterday I got an email about fibroids. I have not heard a change in the Myers-Briggs and going from introvert to extroverted. So that's, so you're bringing things that are so interesting, but.

[00:05:55] Dr. Katie Deming: It's the, my experience just from witnessing this is [00:06:00] that it really takes you down to the studs. Like if we're thinking about houses, like bringing you down to the real basics and, and then you get to build back up from there and people really do come out more alive. Like I love that you described that.

[00:06:17] Dr. Katie Deming: So I see that. You know, people say, it feels like you push the reset button on me. Like all of a sudden I'm like, okay, wow. Wait, this is what energy feels like. So there's this profound energy. But then I love, there's several things wrapped [00:06:30] into what you described, described there in being more, Extroverted and also more open to sharing your story. And look, now you're on a podcast, you know, like here you are like introvert, but you're on a podcast sharing your story with thousands of people. but there's several things in there. Number one. Is that, you know, there's this shift where you're feeling more open like your soul is wanting that, you know, desiring that to be more in communion community with others, [00:07:00] sharing your story as a way to empower yourself and also others.

[00:07:04] Dr. Katie Deming: But then also a big thing that that stops us from sharing is fear. And that is one of the things that within the fast is so consistent that I see that fear. Dissolves in different ways for different people. 'cause I think the fear that you come in with is different. But I'm wondering, was that also a piece for you of the fear diminishing.

[00:07:26] Geneva Jacobs: So much fear diminished in my life. Yes, [00:07:30] a hundred percent. fear of what's happening next in, in my cancer healing journey. Gone, like, I'm, I'm not worried about it. I'm, I'm. I'm flowing with it and I feel like one step follows the next. You know, I'm just gonna be present with it and everything. I had this amazing experience of profound perfection of everything and that dropping in just seemed to be part of evaporating.

[00:07:59] Geneva Jacobs: A [00:08:00] lot of the fear. fear of, yeah, being seen, fear of people's judgements, fear, you know, fear of, Making the right decision or the wrong decision, that stuff isn't there anymore. I feel so comfortable and at peace.

[00:08:18] Dr. Katie Deming: Beautiful. Well, and I think that this is one thing that I notice, you know, moving from conventional medicine into a more natural space of healing, that a lot of people, I [00:08:30] mean, I think that it's consistent for anyone who gets conventional therapy and. Does a more natural approach, but is this fear of getting it right, but in the space of when you choose to do something different than maybe what's the standard of care that is, there's this real fear of the judgment of other people that, oh, you know, you're choosing this, you know, way and you're gonna be sorry, or whatever that is, and that, that, that fear of the judgment and the worry about, you know.[00:09:00]

[00:09:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Choosing your own path is real. Like I think that is a real thing that everyone in this situation experiences in some way or the other, and the doubt of worrying, you know, am I making the right choice? And I love how you described that of. You know, coming into the knowing of the perfection and everything, that everything is working out perfectly exactly as it is, and when you remove yourself from the world and from food and, and really get quiet and uncomfortable [00:09:30] in that space.

[00:09:32] Dr. Katie Deming: That's what comes true. That's beautiful. That perfection, that everything is always exactly as it's supposed to be. But when someone has a diagnosis like this, that's like the furst thing from their mind of like, oh, everything's perfect. Yeah. Right.

[00:09:46] Geneva Jacobs: Hi. I, uh, I've, I've gone through that whole spectrum and then falling into that perfection, feeling it in my body and having all these threads come together in one moment. It [00:10:00] was a, it was a profound epiphany for me and led me to working with you, and it's like all of these things, challenges. The just of getting this certain book, having this dream like sitting where I was sitting even, it's incredible.

[00:10:20] Geneva Jacobs: Like it all had to happen to get to that exact moment of like realizing how it was all [00:10:30] divinely just orchestrated. And, and then the energy that moved through me in that moment was incredible. And I, I, like, I could ne I can never lose that moment of, of absolute perfection. And, and I needed to have this lump at this time to be here even right now, like.

[00:10:52] Geneva Jacobs: It's, it's, it's, it's pr it's hard to wrap your mind around unless like, you have that experience, I think.

[00:10:59] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:11:00] Yes,

[00:11:01] Geneva Jacobs: But once you feel it, you can't unfeel it. You can't unknow it. Everything

[00:11:07] Geneva Jacobs: that's happening is perfect.

[00:11:09] Dr. Katie Deming: I love it. You know that. I love this. So was there was, there was a moment then during the fast that this happened. Can you just tell us a little bit about that? Was it during the fast? Was it after the fast? Was it, you know, what was going on when you had that? Wash over you and that that's really a spiritual experience, what you're describing.

[00:11:28] Dr. Katie Deming: And it is hard. It's [00:11:30] kind of like when I try and describe my shared death experience, I'm like, I don't know how to put this in words because there's really no words for it. But, the best that you can, can you walk us through that? What, what, what happened?

[00:11:40] Geneva Jacobs: Yeah, I was actually in the refeeding process, which was when I had a lot of, um, insights drop in and that moment of connection, I, I feel like it was at about day five or six of my refeeding. Um, I, I was into it a ways [00:12:00] and what happened was. I, I had start, started to feel more energy and had been able to do more.

[00:12:07] Geneva Jacobs: 'cause during the fast I was down for the count, I, I couldn't think straight, I couldn't hold a good conversation at all, nowhere near. Um, my husband had to help walk me around to do anything really. And I would go from one couch to another coach to my bed. So I was absolutely down for the count. Very [00:12:30] tired and.

[00:12:30] Geneva Jacobs: So when I had a little bit of food, I started to have a lot more energy. It, it seemed dramatic to me and, um, but I still realized I was in this healing state and I wasn't really ready to be that active. so I was conscious about like still staying in the healing zone. So I had gone outside, which was brilliant because I hadn't been outside for, well, I had started to be outside more. but it's a deep place of connection for me. I mean, during the [00:13:00] fast I was sleeping out in my tent and I just love being outside. So I went outside and I decided to pick up a book that I had been reading that I had put down and sort of gotten a boat, but it was a spiritual book and I was like, I'm on a spiritual quest.

[00:13:16] Geneva Jacobs: Maybe I can, you know, have a moment with this book. And I started reading, got a page in, and I was, I was reading about a woman who was doing a 40 day fast all of a sudden. [00:13:30] And as I was reading the, I could feel the threads and these memories coming, coming and like how I had got that book. the people they were talking about in the book.

[00:13:43] Geneva Jacobs: Some of the dreams that I'd had and it just like all these threads pulled in together and all of this information came together and it was as if an energy dropped in as [00:14:00] well where previous to that it would not have had the capacity to hold that energy. And it, I wept and I just let myself weep and I wept, and I wept, and I wept.

[00:14:13] Geneva Jacobs: And it felt like it went on for a long time. And that's not really like me, but I just, I just let it move through me. And it was almost as if this gratitude that I was in and a lot of other feelings, so many feelings, all kind of coalesced and I [00:14:30] needed to let my body move in a certain way to actually be able to embody.

[00:14:35] Geneva Jacobs: That understanding in the moment and as that like my body was moving and the weeping and just like kind of integrating that whole experience and feeling it as part of me. And then I looked up and there was a hawk flying by

[00:14:57] Dr. Katie Deming: Hmm.

[00:14:58] Geneva Jacobs: and it was just such a [00:15:00] sign for me of like a nod from the universe of like.

[00:15:04] Geneva Jacobs: Everything that you're understanding right now and knowing in your heart is, is true. And so that, that was kind of what the experience was like. And that was also when I, when I had this, I've gotta work for Kate, what she is doing right now. This ancient, it's, it's, it's this ancient practice that's. [00:15:30] This is what happened for me.

[00:15:31] Geneva Jacobs: So I don't know how you think about it, uh, and what it's like for you. But what happened for me in that moment was like she, the, these are the words that were there. She's priestessing in this, this ancient practice that is so needed right now, and I need to join in with her in priestess to help priestesses in whatever way I can.

[00:15:50] Geneva Jacobs: And, and I just felt so strongly about that in the moment. I think the first thing I did after I had kind of calmed down was I talked to my [00:16:00] husband for a minute and I was like, I'm gonna tell Dr. Katie that I wanna work for her. Do you think that's crazy? I had never thought of it before. Crossed my mind anyway, so then I let you know

[00:16:14] Geneva Jacobs:

[00:16:14] Dr. Katie Deming: Did your husband think that that was crazy?

[00:16:17] Geneva Jacobs: No, what he said was. Um, if you feel it that strongly about you have to do it. He's great.

[00:16:24] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. I love that. Well, I love your husband, so th [00:16:30] this what you're, what you're describing. The first, I wanna say something for people. A lot of people think that a fast when you're in the fast, that you're gonna have this like mountaintop experience of like Zen and all these spiritual things are coming through and your fast in particular. Couldn't have been farther from that. Like you were just, like you said, you were exhausted. There was a lot of nausea. We had some issues with, like you, we had started with adding salt in your [00:17:00] water, which then made you nauseated with water, which was a problem when you're doing a water fast. And so it was really. I just remember days where I was like, okay, Geneva, you just need to make it through another day, like just another day because it was so hard. And that what people don't realize is that oftentimes these openings, these awareness, these spiritual openings that happen, they actually happen after the fast.

[00:17:23] Dr. Katie Deming: So they happen either in the refeeding or completely after Refeeding, when people are finally getting nourishment back in their [00:17:30] system and starting to have. The capacity to even hold this energy. Right? So, and I love what you described there of, and this is life, right? So life is this divine, you know, weaving of all these beautiful little threads that we could never see looking forward.

[00:17:49] Dr. Katie Deming: But in hindsight, you can see when you're in that clear state of how, the perfection of how everything had to come in, in exactly those ways to bring you to this moment. [00:18:00] And so. I love that. That's it's, you know, and it's one of those things where you can't describe in words, but just with you describing it, I can feel it like in your body.

[00:18:09] Dr. Katie Deming: It was just a profound knowing of the perfection that came through.

[00:18:14] Geneva Jacobs: When I talk about it, I still feel it in my body.

[00:18:17] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:18:18] Geneva Jacobs: to a lesser degree, but I can, I still feel like it resonating. It was so powerful.

[00:18:24] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. And the other thing that the audience doesn't know is that right [00:18:30] at this time, like literally, I don't know, maybe a couple days before this happened, I had this big shift on my team where all of a sudden I had, I needed help. Like I actually needed people to step in to some of the positions that had been shifted.

[00:18:45] Dr. Katie Deming: My business was going through massive transformation, and I was having a shift in my staff. Geneva didn't know that. Obviously the message was conveyed to you, you know, that I did need help. And so when you reached [00:19:00] out I was like, okay, well let's finish your refeeding. Let's get you through this. You know, I was like, I didn't wanna talk business until you were all done, but then as you finished, we were able to talk and you know, hearing.

[00:19:10] Dr. Katie Deming: Your interest in, in supporting the fasters. And so for the audience, Geneva has come onto my team as a client success coach. So someone who helps the fasters, you know, with the day-to-day things, but then also facilitating, um, some of the calls that we do. And, and Geneva's brought some beautiful things through.[00:19:30]

[00:19:30] Dr. Katie Deming: Into my program that didn't, this is not coming from me at all. That came from Geneva. And that's what I love actually about this program, is that this is a live creation in the making and I'm always open to improving. And so Geneva was like, gosh, it would be really nice to allow the faster to have more connection so that they could be seen and known for who they are and you know, and now you do these connection calls every week.

[00:19:56] Dr. Katie Deming: With the fasters where they get to really share more personally of [00:20:00] what's happening with them. And it's been such a beautiful addition to the program and I would've never known that, not having done it myself, but you having had this very personal and profound experience through the fast, could see the pieces that I was missing.

[00:20:16] Dr. Katie Deming: so I want, do you wanna talk about that a little bit? About the connection and, and like what you're fostering there with the fast roads? 'cause I think it's really beautiful.

[00:20:24] Geneva Jacobs: Oh, thank you so much. I'm so happy to hear that. yeah, so when we're on the [00:20:30] daily calls with the faster, they're amazing. Incredible, incredible coaches, incredible support. We're learning so much.but for me and how I, like, I was always having to talk about these physical, very physical things that were happening and I really wanted to be seen for a little bit more of who I actually am.

[00:20:53] Geneva Jacobs: And, and I wanted to know some of the other ladies a little. Well, right now it was during my class, it was [00:21:00] all ladies, so I really wanted to get to know the other people more. And 'cause it was, uh. You're already isolating yourself a lot during the fast and really look forward to that point of connection, and so I just really felt like it would add a lot to be able to interact just that on that personal level with the other lady, the other people going through it at the same time, which became, they were [00:21:30] just their presences and their witnessing and like.

[00:21:32] Geneva Jacobs: Hearing what they were going through as well was a lot, but having that little personal connection and touch and getting to know them just on that level felt important too. So that's why I recommended we do that.

[00:21:49] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, no, and that's been a fantastic addition and one of the things that the audience doesn't know, but within my fasting program, so you know, this started as a group [00:22:00] fast. Literally out of necessity, you know, I guess they say necessity is the mother of all invention, but I was, I had a full clinic, so working, you know, seeing clients all day long, and then I all of a sudden had people hearing about the few people I had fasted and said, I wanna fast with you and I wanna fast with you.

[00:22:18] Dr. Katie Deming: And suddenly I had like eight people that wanted to fast with me. This was like last December, January. I was like, I don't know how to do this. I'm like, I guess I'm gonna do it on my lunch hour. So then I was like, okay, I'm just gonna make a [00:22:30] group and we're just gonna do it on my lunch hour, and that's how I'm gonna do the group fast.

[00:22:33] Dr. Katie Deming: Because before I was doing it just with my one-on-one clients and I would do individual calls and I was like, I can't do that 'cause I just didn't have the capacity. So we started in this way, in the group. I had no idea how powerful that would be to be together with each other and to be witnessed and to be.

[00:22:56] Dr. Katie Deming: Connected in that way and just literally going through, it's such a bonding [00:23:00] experience to go through this. but what's interesting and that the audience doesn't know is that I intentionally keep the faster separate. I don't have like a Facebook group. I don't have a community where you can be online all day.

[00:23:15] Dr. Katie Deming: Messaging with each other and posting in the group, because that's a distraction from what this really is. This is a vision quest, right? This is a going inward to do your own internal work, and so we limit the [00:23:30] exposure of the faster. To the calls, and most of the calls, like you said, are either me checking in with them or coaches.

[00:23:36] Dr. Katie Deming: We have an emotional coach, we have a mindset coach, we have a subconscious coach, we have a chef and nutritionist. Now we have connection calls, but we had all these different calls going on. But like you said, there was this missing piece of like. Who is Geneva out in the world when she's not fasting? You know?

[00:23:52] Dr. Katie Deming: And like what do you bring so that you guys could get to know each other? And so this connection call was a way for us to [00:24:00] bring that into the group without losing that integrity of having like a free for all where people are. You know, talking and distracting themselves because you want, basically you wanna distract yourself when you're fasting.

[00:24:11] Dr. Katie Deming: It'd be easy to like jump in a Facebook group and be like, messaging, are you having this symptom? I'm having this symptom. And you know, but that's distraction from what this experience really is. So, I think that it's been fantastic to have your experience and then also as a therapist, you have that.

[00:24:29] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:24:30] Understanding of people's need to be seen and, and heard, you know, and, and everyone has a story and, and being able to share that with each other. So it's been, it, that part of it's been really incredible for me to witness that, you know, you've brought that through within, the program, which I love. And that brings me actually to the next point.

[00:24:50] Dr. Katie Deming: I wanna get to the physical aspect of the fasting and like what happened so that, because I think this is something that I am coming to terms with too, in [00:25:00] terms of what happens when people fast. But before we get to that, what I would love to have you talk about is. The emotional benefits that you see in fasting and that you've experienced personally and then maybe also the things that you're seeing in other faster since you've joined the team.

[00:25:15] Dr. Katie Deming: You talked a little bit about the fear already dissolving fear, which I think is like, oh my God, if there was, if you could just get one thing out of the fast, like dissolving the fear around cancer is like monumental. But I'm wondering if you can speak to like what [00:25:30] emotionally, what has this been for you?

[00:25:32] Geneva Jacobs: okay, so already in my life I have been quite an emotional person and I've found some more ease with that, um, in my life. So letting emotions move through me. I'm, I'm pretty comfortable with that.what I learned in the fast and that has sort of changed, since the FAST [00:26:00] is more discernment about.

[00:26:04] Geneva Jacobs: What emotion, the stories attached to the emotions maybe and how easy it is to keep replaying those stories and then going back into those old emotions that really have resolved like you're, like you, I personally had like worked through. Many times and, and I was kind of just [00:26:30] continuing to pick them up because it was like habit because I knew how to feel it because I, if I, I needed somewhere to put different things.

[00:26:40] Geneva Jacobs: I don't know why I did it, honestly, why I would keep picking it up. But what I learned is like, I don't have to, and it became easier to discern like, when is this emotion like something that actually needs to move through in the moment right now? When is this something that's connected to the past that you don't need [00:27:00] to continue to, carry with me?

[00:27:03] Geneva Jacobs: So, I've, I feel as if I'm still an emotional being, like that hasn't changed and I still get a lot of information from emotions and I know what they're there to. That to show me with what my need is and or what boundary I have to have or, and give me the energy to do it, but I'm not as, as emotionally, um, swayed as I go through [00:27:30] life.

[00:27:30] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, not like pulled around by the emotions. You have more of a detachment from it where you're like, okay, is this something that needs to be processed or is this something that I'm just going back into? Because it's a habit.

[00:27:42] Geneva Jacobs: Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Very,

[00:27:45] Dr. Katie Deming: and,

[00:27:45] Geneva Jacobs: very succinctly said.

[00:27:48] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. No, that's beautiful. And you know, I think that this is something that we see, you know, we were just talking about this on our team meeting is the first week of the fast is like [00:28:00] a, I.

[00:28:00] Dr. Katie Deming: I don't know what to say. It's chaotic. I'll just say the first week that fasters come in, I start new cohorts every other week. And the weeks that we have new fasts come in, it's like, you know, chickens with the heads run off and, you know, cut off and they're kind of running around and they're in those loops, right?

[00:28:18] Dr. Katie Deming: Like you see those, those, those, their habits of, um, fear, anxiety, you know, all these different things that they're just, but they're looping and they're just kind of caught in it 'cause they. They have it [00:28:30] settled in, but once you get past, like day eight, we start to see people kind of settling in and, and one Faster just described it the other day where she was like, it's almost like I've gone below the waves at the surface.

[00:28:43] Dr. Katie Deming: You know, like there's all these waves up at the surface and now I've dropped below the waves so that I can see the waves when they're happening. And I think. This is just my perspective from watching and and guiding people in the fast is that when you sink [00:29:00] into the fast, and my experience is that this is at least like eight days in or so before people really start to sink in there.

[00:29:07] Dr. Katie Deming: You start to recognize that you're not those feelings like that, you're actually, there's an observer inside that's watching this stuff and you start to learn, oh, you can see the patterns where you're like, oh, I see how that particular emotion is triggered by this. And you start to [00:29:30] notice the patterns.

[00:29:30] Dr. Katie Deming: Whereas I think most of the time we're so. Toxified. We're so busy, we're so stressed that we can't discern those things. You can't tease 'em apart, but as you get clean and as you get quiet, you start to see it better and kind of detach from the story, like you said. And you started this by saying like, I was I in my story and now you know, there's a little bit of separation.

[00:29:54] Dr. Katie Deming: Does that feel true for you?

[00:29:55] Geneva Jacobs: Yeah, absolutely. There were a lot of patterns that I started to, become [00:30:00] aware of during the fast. For me, there was a lot in my dreaming. So, working in the dream time, I feel, um, really helped me. That was the time where I had enough, um, consciousness happening that I had some clarity come in, and the things that were happening in my dreams really helped me work through some of the patterns and see them more clearly. Yeah.

[00:30:28] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, well in dream [00:30:30] time for the listeners, you know, is a place where the conscious mind goes to sleep, and then you can see what's in the subconscious, kind of what's been programmed in there. And it's the things that come through in dream time, especially when fasting, and especially with having DX working on my clients, you know, and their light bodies while they're fasting, information is passed through in dream time, that is often much clearer.

[00:30:57] Dr. Katie Deming: The information that we might get in our waking time. [00:31:00] So it's interesting that, that that was true for you.

[00:31:03] Geneva Jacobs: Absolutely. There was one dream about a family dynamic that I sort of knew, but it brought so much more clarity that it just changed my relationship internally with that person, uh, which was so healing for me.

[00:31:20] Dr. Katie Deming: I love it. I love it. And you know, actually I think we'll, um. Put a link to a video that I like to share with my fasts [00:31:30] from Edward Casey about fasting and some of the things that, that I see in fasting. He, is the sleeping prophet. He's no longer alive, but, um, there are many, many recordings from his channelings and he.

[00:31:45] Dr. Katie Deming: Talks about in one of these videos about the power of fasting from a spiritual perspective. And a big part of it is dreaming that during fast dreams become very powerful in conveying information. So, [00:32:00] um, I'll have my editor link that in the show notes so people can, um, watch that video. 'cause I think that this is like, interesting.

[00:32:07] Dr. Katie Deming: Most people don't think about that. Like, oh, my dreams are gonna change during a fast, but it, it's really powerful.

[00:32:13] Geneva Jacobs: Oh yeah, I was remembering like four or five dreams a night most nights. And typically it's a little bit challenging for me to remember one or two, one, you know, so that was, that was a big deal. I, I really enjoyed that actually.

[00:32:27] Dr. Katie Deming: So the other thing that I wanted to touch on is that, you know. [00:32:30] I mean, almost everyone. I, I have a few people now who come to me for like spiritual, um, reasons with fasting, but you know, almost everyone who comes to me is like, they heard the stories of tumors going away, and they're like, I'm coming for the Mitophagy.

[00:32:44] Dr. Katie Deming: Like I want my tumor to go away with the fasting. And one of the things that I have seen is that. About 30% of the people who fast have their tumor either shrink or disappear. Right. And the disappearing ones are like, I would [00:33:00] say, on like a single hand for me, like five or less of those. And then the rest of 'em, I've fasted like about almost 60 people now.

[00:33:08] Dr. Katie Deming: But, um, the others, um. Of that third or 30% have it shrink, but it doesn't go away completely. And then the 70%, um, most of those, you know, the ones who didn't have it shrink, it's like, it just holds it steady, right? So it, it's like going into therapeutic ketosis with a ketogenic diet. You're basically hold, it's away of holding [00:33:30] the cancer and not allowing it to grow.

[00:33:32] Dr. Katie Deming: And there's like a very tiny subset. Um, I've had now. I think three total people where their tumors have continued to grow through the fast, and these tend to be very aggressive types of cancer. But one of the things that has been. Like a revelation for me is that people finish their fast and if their tumor didn't go away, they're like, that was a failure.

[00:33:55] Dr. Katie Deming: Like, that's, that's the, the, the thing that they, you know, seem to think like, [00:34:00] oh, well then that was like in the, in their family is like, well, if the tumor didn't go away, then you just did that for nothing. And what's so interesting is that. What's happening on so many levels is healing. That needs to happen for the root cause of why the cancer occurred in the first place.

[00:34:19] Dr. Katie Deming: But it may be that the tumor doesn't fully go away with the fast, and for you, that was also the case where it didn't fully go away. So there may [00:34:30] be additional treatments that need to happen, but. What I want people to know from this is that it's actually, cancer is a mitochondrial problem, right? And this comes back to the work of auto Warberg showing that cancer by definition uses fermentation and uses glucose as its primary fuel source and then also glutamine.

[00:34:52] Dr. Katie Deming: But that. The problem of cancer and many of the problems that we're seeing in chronic disease are deficient or [00:35:00] dysfunctional, mitochondria, and with the fast we're basically. Getting rid of dysfunctional mitochondria. It's M-I-T-O-P-H-A-G-Y is the, the word for that. So just like Mitophagy with an A UTO, this is mi agy, M-I-T-O-P-H-A-G-Y.

[00:35:20] Dr. Katie Deming: And it's the idea that we're actually pruning away the dysfunctional mitochondria, so that what you're left with is more vital, efficient. [00:35:30] Productive mitochondria and that if you solve that problem, you're solving the under prob underlying problem of why someone got cancer in the first place. And so even if you have to still do something like maybe you need a surgery or something after the fast, it's not a failure.

[00:35:47] Dr. Katie Deming: It's a huge success on all these different levels, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and also physically. But that the tumor disappearing is not the end game. At least in my [00:36:00] mind. This is like the way that now I come to see it, now that I've seen so many people fast that I'm like, no, we're actually healing the underlying problem of the human, so that then you're more healthy.

[00:36:12] Dr. Katie Deming: You're basically, you know, filled with life. Mitochondria is the spark of life for us, and that's what you're describing actually, that you feel turned on, but. There was this piece where the tumor was still there after the fast. And I wonder if you can speak just to a little bit of that of like what that was like.

[00:36:29] Dr. Katie Deming: 'cause [00:36:30] you, you know, before I didn't start talking about this in the fast until after your fast. So for you, you might have finished the fast and been like, well that was a, you know, not a success because the tumor didn't go away. Um, the way that you'd come in hoping for it.

[00:36:45] Geneva Jacobs: It's true. My tumor didn't go away. I still have, I still have the lump. and I am so excited and passionate about what you're saying here right now because the way you first, the way I first heard you describe it when I [00:37:00] did. I knew that that is exactly what was happening in my body because you were even using similar terms of what I was feeling.

[00:37:07] Geneva Jacobs: Like I felt like I was just on fire with life and all this new energy, total reset. Um, and then when you described my Mitophagy and that root of the, that dysfunction, it felt so true to me because I. I was experiencing that within that new life. [00:37:30] And so when, when I finished the fast, um, I followed your advice to wait six weeks before any imaging and sort of just stick to the food guide and, and I just decided that I was gonna surrender into like your care and totally just go, go for that.

[00:37:48] Geneva Jacobs: And I knew that for me, if I didn't still have alum. I wouldn't have probably done any of that. I would've just, I, I feel as if [00:38:00] I could have very easily backslid and just gone back kind of given up or like, not given up, but like just gone back to regular life. Um, and I knew that it was actually okay for me to still have this lump while I settled in.

[00:38:21] Geneva Jacobs: I got steady in whatever was happening next. Um, I don't know that I'm gonna continue to have this slump. I may [00:38:30] have another surgery. I'm not sure exactly yet, but I most likely will because now I'm more aware of the fact that I have possibly a more sensitive nature that I need to take care of myself better.

[00:38:47] Geneva Jacobs: And, um. Really, um, be discerning and intentional with how I live going forward. and part of my patterning was, it's like I knew all these things but I wasn't doing them. [00:39:00] So to have something keep me on track, I'm grateful for, and learning this about Mitophagy. Is so exciting to me because I know my body can heal.

[00:39:14] Geneva Jacobs: Like I've known that the whole time. I just didn't know quite how to kickstart it and get it like back into sync with life. And so learning this about my Mitophagy and, and this cellular health [00:39:30] has absolutely lit me up just like it lights up the cells.

[00:39:34] Dr. Katie Deming: That's beautiful. Yeah. And I think the reason why I thank you too for being so open with this conversation. 'cause I think a lot of people, they wanna come on and then say, yeah, like only come on and say it if it like the tumor disappeared fully. And it's like, okay, that is not reality with the, with the fasting.

[00:39:53] Dr. Katie Deming: And also I love that you. Uh, recognize that you're like, [00:40:00] maybe I need this reminder to help me with this next phase of like moving into really. Um, integrating all of these changes that you've made, you know, with the fast and setting the foundation of your life moving forward. And that's actually one of the things that I've heard from many people who finished the fast and they're like, you know what?

[00:40:22] Dr. Katie Deming: I actually know why it's not gone yet. I know because I still have work to do. There's still work here and now I see [00:40:30] it and now I feel connected to it. Whereas before I was just scared and I didn't know. And I'm like, you just get rid of it. And now I'm like, no, this is a messenger. This is giving me information.

[00:40:40] Dr. Katie Deming: And, and I I see what the role that it's serving now. So you, you said that in such a beautiful way and I think, and this is what I want people to hear, 'cause. I want people coming into this not thinking, okay, I'm doing a fast, and then the success is if the tumor goes away, it's like, yeah, that's [00:41:00] great.

[00:41:00] Dr. Katie Deming: That's amazing. I love it. Super excited when that happens, but I'm also super excited about all the other things that happen. And I know that those are healing. The underlying problem, the tumor is actually the last symptom of the problem. And so I feel like that's the easy part. We know how to, we can get rid of that.

[00:41:18] Dr. Katie Deming: We can, you know, do surgery. There's certain things that we can do, but how do you heal the human? How do you heal the mitochondria so that you are no longer conducive to. Growing new tumors and [00:41:30] creating cancer in your body. So, um, thank you for your willingness to share that with the audience. 'cause that's what they all wanna know, right?

[00:41:36] Dr. Katie Deming: They all wanna know, well, what happened to the tumor? And then they, and then I think that people make up stories that they're like, oh, well then that doesn't work. And it's like, well, that's fine actually. If that is your opinion, then fasting's probably not for you because I think that you need to come in.

[00:41:49] Dr. Katie Deming: This is a very, um. Deep healing experience that cannot just be about the physical there. There ha. You [00:42:00] have to be driven by more, I think, to take on this. But if you do the divin, the dividends are huge, you know, and you're experiencing that.

[00:42:10] Geneva Jacobs: It's a deeply profound experience to go through. It will change. Like regardless, whatever happens and everybody's different, gonna come out of the fast changed.

[00:42:23] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, that I know

[00:42:25] Geneva Jacobs: That's for sure.

[00:42:26] Dr. Katie Deming: that. For sure. So let me ask you [00:42:30] this, you know, um, one of the things that you're working on is you, and I love that you said that too, that you were like, okay, I'm taking the six weeks, I'm gonna really integrate, I'm gonna, you know, take the dietary we, we give. Information to our fasters.

[00:42:44] Dr. Katie Deming: This is for the audience about how to repopulate your gut microbiome in a healthy way, since that's actually part of the problem that many of us are sick with. Um, so we teach people how to eat, how to repopulate their microbiome, how to, [00:43:00] you know, have non-inflammatory foods and their system, and also just.

[00:43:04] Dr. Katie Deming: Practices with healthy living. And so I love that you embrace that, but I know that integration after the fast is something that has been a passion for you in terms of figuring out, and this is kind of next on our radar with the program of helping people because you can get these profound life shifts, but if you don't find a way to integrate [00:43:30] that into your being and bring it forward into your life.

[00:43:34] Dr. Katie Deming: It's potentially lost. So I'm wondering, can you speak to that part? The integration after the fast?

[00:43:39] Geneva Jacobs: Feel like this part is, is, is huge because we need, like if you're going through cancer and you're going to, if you wanna heal it, you need to change you. There's things about yourself and your life and your patterns that you need to change and live from as [00:44:00] you go forward. So when you go through something that is so profound and life changing, is this. Holding onto those things is, is sort of the key to staying on track and, and living that new life. So there's a lot of pieces and for that are part of integrating. You have to integrate this change within your own mind and body. the people around [00:44:30] you have to. Like, get to know you in a new way, your wider community, the way you plan, plan your day, you know, and even the eating itself is this foundation of how you live.

[00:44:47] Geneva Jacobs: So keeping up the food guide, which is a challenge, there's, there's a lot involved in it, um, is a great foundation actually. Um, for integrating [00:45:00] this change into your, and live it out into your life. So I, I'm just fascinated with the process and I've been really tracking my own experience and working with my own counselor and supports to make sure that, that what has landed and what has come.

[00:45:23] Geneva Jacobs: Through for me that I can really stay in, in alignment with and keep moving [00:45:30] with. So, um, yeah, I feel like it's something that needs support. I feel like having the support of people in your life, um, knowing who they are. A great place to start and then carrying forward pieces, that you in that energy.

[00:45:51] Geneva Jacobs: So there were a few, um, energetic and practices that you had taught us, um, some information that you had shared. [00:46:00] And, so I'm finding those things if I keep practicing them and going back to them. That they are helping me, like, um, you know, stay with a certain thread of that weave and, and other things, the food guide also being like a foundation.

[00:46:18] Geneva Jacobs: I just feel like it's a really important part that, , jumping ahead and going too fast or, you know, um. You're not gonna be able to integrate it. It's a bit of a slow process [00:46:30] sometimes, and it takes effort and work and practicing to actually really integrate into this new person, like it's like a renewed person that I am, you know.

[00:46:40] Dr. Katie Deming: Absolutely no, and that's perfect. So, and I think that, you know, the tendency is people put their life on hold and then it's like life comes and just swallows you up if you're not intentional about coming back out into the world after the fast. And so, you know. This [00:47:00] piece. So this is one of the next pieces that we're working on with the program is how do we help people with this integration piece?

[00:47:06] Dr. Katie Deming: And then we do have a membership, so at least they can stay in, like we have the coaches do. like we have at least. At least, um, one call every week, usually two calls so that people can stay in that energy and they can, you know, still see the coaches. And then we have Monica, the chef and nutritionist who, you know, help in with the food guide.

[00:47:26] Dr. Katie Deming: That's a big piece of, like you said, the integration is, um, figuring out the [00:47:30] food and, and how are we incorporating these healing foods into our diet. But, um. I'm excited to see. Honestly, this is kind of like the connection call, so you were the impetus of bringing that and I'm excited to see what we're gonna be able to do for helping people to integrate really well after the fast.

[00:47:47] Dr. Katie Deming: But I think it is something for anyone who's listening to this, who is planning a fast or any of my fast who are currently fasting and hear this is like remembering that the fast doesn't stop [00:48:00] when you finish the refeeding. It actually, it's like a whole new life is beginning and if you can slow down and you can be intentional with that, you're going to pull much more forward from the fast than if you just rush back into life.

[00:48:16] Dr. Katie Deming: And I love that you said that change is required. You know, and that's exactly it. You cannot solve the problem from the same level that it was created. So change is required to create healing, when you're dealing with a diagnosis like cancer. [00:48:30] Jennifer, it's been a pleasure to have you on the show. I'm sure we'll have you back now that you're part of the team. thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. And, um, till next time.

[00:48:39] Geneva Jacobs: Thank you for giving me this opportunity to share part of my story. Thank you so much, Katie, but for everything you do, oh my gosh, it's amazing.

[00:48:47] Dr. Katie Deming: Thank you so much.