BONUS Episode | What Your Oncologist Might Not Tell You About Cancer Prevention with Dr. Katie Deming | Science and Spirituality Podcast

[00:00:00] Chris Carton: Today on the podcast we had the pleasure of interviewing Katie Deming, Dr. Katie Deming. She is the conscious oncologist. She is a former radiation oncologist and healthcare leader, inventor and TEDx speaker, who is transcending the boundaries of conventional and integrative medicine to create a new paradigm of cancer prevention treatment and post-treatment healing.[00:00:19] Chris Carton: Her method center on helping those with cancer detoxify and nourish their physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual selves so that they can activate their body's innate ability to heal. And although her bio specifically talks about, you know, people with cancer and oncology, we, this was a very broad podcast that could, you know, really.

[00:00:38] Chris Carton: Um, speak to anyone who's looking to like up their health, you know, 'cause we get, we got into a lot of general things that anyone could do.

[00:00:44] Kevin Carton: Definitely. And, and especially, well, yes. Obviously if there's cancer, like, you know, someone who has cancer or you yourself unfortunately have cancer too, then yes. Like.

[00:00:53] Kevin Carton: Katie seems like is a really solid option to look into. 'cause she said toward the end of the episode that she has actually had two [00:01:00] successful cases of people healing cancer through her work. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it's literally only been in six months since she's been in practice. 'cause yeah, her work is like relatively new, but she's been going like down this path for years now as she shared.

[00:01:12] Kevin Carton: So, uh, we're excited to share this with you because, uh, personally I not only learned a lot, especially about water. Yeah. Water, yeah. Which surprisingly enough, we actually spend a good, like 15 minutes on water in this episode. But how water and specific ways in which you actually have water, like the, the filter or, uh, we talked about hydrogen water, like different ways that water is like, meant to be structured or had, like, it's not the way current modern water is through a tap or anything.

[00:01:37] Kevin Carton: So that was really fascinating. But, um, even, even if you don't have cancer, or even if you are like healthy, but you wanna become healthier, I feel like any I. Any illness could be helped with what we covered and what Katie shared, honestly. Yeah. And,

[00:01:51] Chris Carton: and if you're, uh, if you're using tap water or a Brita, you need to listen to at least the middle of the episode.

[00:01:57] Chris Carton: Exactly. You gotta up your water game. [00:02:00] Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy,

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[00:02:43] Kevin Carton: The Dr. Katie Deming, welcome to the Science and Spirituality Podcast. We're excited to have you here.

[00:02:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here with you.

[00:02:50] Kevin Carton: Mm-hmm. Well, let's dive into your story and just begin with this, this transition that you've made. I saw in, in your bio about, you know, you were an oncologist, but now you're doing something different.

[00:02:59] Kevin Carton: [00:03:00] So tell us about that journey.

[00:03:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Sure. So I am a radiation oncologist by my background, so that's what my training is, and I practiced for 20 years as a radiation oncologist, as well as a healthcare leader. So really was. My healthcare administration interest was in designing better cancer care, more patient centered to help people get the best outcomes with, um, treatments and, and making sure things were really coordinated.

[00:03:29] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I ran the cancer service line for a large healthcare organization within the us and in 2019 I started to have this sense like maybe I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing, and it didn't make sense because I didn't finish my training as a radiation oncologist until I was 32. So all of the training that I went through, you know, was a lot to get to where I was.

[00:03:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so this idea of maybe I wasn't supposed to be practicing as a [00:04:00] radiation oncologist really didn't make sense. And my husband at the time. Was also like, well, maybe you really have everything that someone else would want. So you have, you know, a really lucrative career. You work four days a week, you have meaningful work.

[00:04:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You're treating people with cancer and making a difference. Your colleagues love you, your patients love you. Maybe if you are not happy, something's wrong with you. Like maybe you're never gonna be happy if you're not happy in this, you know, position. And so I internalized that for a little while thinking, I don't know, maybe something is wrong with me.

[00:04:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Maybe I'm never gonna be happy. 'cause I couldn't explain it. It was just this like little niggling feeling that something was wrong. And then in 2020, I had just been nominated for a very high level position nationally within the organization that I was with. And they had nominated me to be medical director of all of cancer care nationally.

[00:04:57] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And this would've been, I would've been in charge of. [00:05:00] Screening, prevention, diagnosis, treatment, um, through survivorship or end of life for 12 million Americans. So a very big job. And I had spent like four months interviewing for this position, and in the end I didn't, it came down to me and one other woman and the other woman received the position.

[00:05:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I knew when that happened. I was like, I know I meant to build something, but I'm sure it's not within the system. I was very clear at that point that something's just not quite right, but I still couldn't say what it was or, or whether I needed to leave that kind of thing. But couple weeks after I finished that interview process, I had an experience called a shared death experience.

[00:05:42] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And it's very similar to a near death experience, but the person who has the experience doesn't die, is not the one who's actually dying. They are at the scene. Where someone else is dying and they cross the veil, they experience the love [00:06:00] and the light and all of that, um, without having gone through like their heart stopping or any of that.

[00:06:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And it, it's uncommon. But when it happens, it most commonly happens to healthcare providers, emergency personnel, people who are typically at the scene where, you know, accidents happen or people may transition. So that happened to me in the fall of 2020. And after that I knew I had to leave. Like it was no longer this niggling feeling.

[00:06:32] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It was like, no, you have to go. What you're doing is not right. Like, and I'm not saying all of Western medicine is not right, but it became very clear to me that this was not true healing and this was not where I was meant to be. And so it took me a couple years to unravel that because as you can imagine, from the first conversations that I had with my husband, he did not get this.

[00:06:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And he was like, why would you do this? And you still have student loans [00:07:00] and what are you gonna do? Like how, what do you mean if you left? And so I just walked through that because I knew from, as an oncologist, I've spent a lot of time around death. And my whole career actually, the reason why I went into oncology was by hospice work, and that was really my introduction.

[00:07:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so I've spent a lot around time, around people who are dying. And I know that the first, the like top regret that people have is that I wish I had had the courage to be myself and do what I knew was true and not listen to what everyone else was telling me to do. And so I had that as this background.

[00:07:42] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Like I knew that I didn't want to be that person at the end of my life looking back with regret. And so I basically had to unravel my life, including getting a divorce, selling everything so I could start over. Because one of the things that happened with that event was that I [00:08:00] knew I needed to leave and I knew what we were doing wasn't healing.

[00:08:03] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But I didn't know what the answer was. It was like I was shown what wasn't working and then I needed to trust that what was meant for me was going to reveal itself. And so I started just letting things go and, and realizing that this is very scary. I had no idea where I was headed, but I started looking into.

[00:08:24] Dr. Katie Deming MD: What makes us truly well, because in mes in medicine I was taught all about pathophysiology, like what's wrong with the body? And then how do you use pharmaceuticals or in my case, radiation to fix that problem. But I was never taught, number one, I was never taught anything about nutrition. Number two, I was never taught what an optimal human looks like.

[00:08:45] Dr. Katie Deming MD: How do you create a vital, you know, really well human being? And so that's where I just started studying and diving into everything about what makes us well. And that ultimately led me to my [00:09:00] current practice, which I call conscious oncology, and it puts consciousness at the foundation of the healing within my practice.

[00:09:11] Chris Carton: Wow. Beautiful story. So it's kind, it's kind of interesting the um. You're still doing oncology, it's just you, you kind of put like your own like twist on it. So like oncology is something that you've always had a passion for since the beginning, right?

[00:09:24] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yes, absolutely.

[00:09:25] Chris Carton: Yeah. Was there, um, uh, I guess like a, a singular maybe patient story or like a group of patients while you were still a regular oncologist that kind of made you start to sense like, okay, this is not really true healing.

[00:09:38] Chris Carton: Like, was there like any examples that you can kind of, kind of go through and, and I guess also how were, were you starting to formulate like how a shift in consciousness or like a shift in language or emotions could have helped them further than what you were. Kind of taught

[00:09:51] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Sure. At that, at the time when I was practicing, I didn't have a clue about any of this stuff.

[00:09:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So it's only in retrospect looking back that I can see that. But you know [00:10:00] what's interesting is I, I mean, I saw so many patients, I saw 5,000 patients over my career. So it's just like so many people, and there's so many examples. But one of the things that really started to like get my attention was actually something, uh, parable that I heard at a meditation retreat.

[00:10:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: This was like, I can't remember that maybe 2017 or so, I was at a meditation retreat with a colleague who was a GYN oncologist and the meditation leader or the retreat leader. Told this story is called The Parable of the River. And basically the story goes like this, that there's a village along a river.

[00:10:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And one day the villagers noticed a body, someone was drowning in the river. And so the villagers rushed out, they rescued the person, they got them onto dry land and you know, that was it. But the next day there were two people now drowning in the river. And so the villagers organized and they rescued these two people [00:11:00] and got 'em out of the river.

[00:11:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then next day there were four, and then there were eight and 16. And it just kept doubling. Every day there were more bodies falling in the river, and the villagers organized themselves. They created this very elaborate rescue system. They had boats and pulleys and you know, just this elaborate system to help rescue these people out of the river.

[00:11:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the village elders were praising the villagers for what an amazing job they were doing. And I turned to my colleague and I said, this is western medicine. And what the heck is going on upstream? Why we are glorified rescue workers just pulling people off, putting 'em on dry land. But by the way. We have no idea why they fell in.

[00:11:44] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then the other thing is we're not teaching them how to get well once we get them on dry land, we, if we don't know what caused a problem, then we're just putting them back into danger. And that's what I saw in my practice was that even when I started shifting, [00:12:00] right, so there were two years that I practiced between this event and actually leaving where I started coaching my clients on the things that they could do to really start to prioritize their wellbeing and doing some of the emotional work and doing the pieces that now have become part of my practice.

[00:12:17] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I remember there was this one patient. Where during her radiation, I would see her weekly. And actually this is one of the things that I loved about my specialty, is that I got to know my client or my patients very well because I saw 'em every week while they were having treatment. And it could be, you know, five, six weeks of treatment.

[00:12:35] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so she had been doing so well, prioritizing herself, starting to set boundaries, you know, really doing the work to shift the way that she had been living before her diagnosis. 'cause I truly believe that in order to heal, you need to change the patterns that made you sick in the first place. And so she had been doing so well and she came back for her six week follow up and [00:13:00] I was asking her like, how is it going?

[00:13:02] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And she was like, oh, Dr. Deming, I just can't keep up all of that because my family had taken up all the slack while I was in treatment, and now I've gotta just take care of everything because there's so much to do and all this stuff. And I was just like, oh my goodness, here we go. She's gonna fall back in the river.

[00:13:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Because if you don't change the patterns, we're not changing the underlying problem. And for me, it's stories like that where it's just frustrating to see that the system is not designed, number one, to teach people this importance that when you're sick, it's a signal that something is wrong in your life and your body.

[00:13:44] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And it's like we can deal with the problem, which is cancer, right? So that's what Western medicine is killing the cancer. But we need to shift the patterns that have led to. Development of cancer, right? If we have a body that is growing cancer, it tells you that something [00:14:00] is out of alignment. Because normally we have cancer cells in our body every day, but when you have a healthy, optimally functioning body and immune system, it takes care of those cells.

[00:14:11] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It's only when we get out of balance that then we have the development of cancer. And so for me it was really that like where I just felt like, yes, I'm making a difference. Yes, we're, you know, dealing with one problem, but I just saw that it was not getting at the root of why we're getting sicker and sicker.

[00:14:32] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the other thing is that I was watching the statistics. You know, incidents of cancer, obesity, neurodegenerative disease, all of these diseases are just skyrocketing. Mm-hmm. And I saw this over my career, so practicing for 20 years. I saw this shift and I saw younger people coming into my clinic and I'm like, if we're doing such a good job in Western medicine and we spend so much money on medical care, we're not doing a good job based [00:15:00] on these metrics.

[00:15:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: People are getting sicker and sicker. And the statistics say that today, one in two men will develop cancer in their lifetime and one in three women. And for me, that's unacceptable. That's not the way it was a hundred a couple hundred years ago. And so for me, it's really about how do we start to look at what this problem is and solve it for real, get to the underlying issues for people.

[00:15:28] Kevin Carton: Well, thank God you're doing that kind of work. Yeah. I think the whole world needs it, but. Do you find that a lot of people are waking up to that fact? Like whether it's, uh, your patients or as well as other practitioners? Like, do you see that there's like this shift that's happening?

[00:15:43] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. So I'll start with medicine, like inside the system.

[00:15:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I'll say something too, because I realize that until you step outside, you can't really see the problem. Mm-hmm. Because you're so intertwined, like all of your security and everything is [00:16:00] tied up in the system. And by the way, you've also been indoctrinated and trained into this particular way of thinking in a very, um, strong way.

[00:16:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: The way that doctors are trained, they're exhausted, they're sleep deprived, they're not eating properly, and then they're taught into this system, and that's indoctrination. Right? And so it's hard to see it when you're inside. And for me, like the analogy that I like to use is that when I was in the bottle.

[00:16:27] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I couldn't see the label on the outside of the bottle. I didn't know what this was all about. And now that I'm outside, I can see it more clearly of what this is all about. And so I think the physicians and people within medicine are trapped. I think they know there's a problem. If you look at, I mean, this is not, you see it if you're within physician groups, physician suicide is huge, huge problem behind attorneys.

[00:16:54] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I think they are the second highest rate of suicides. And every day I'll see a post of [00:17:00] another physician who's committed suicide. And I actually think that if I hadn't had. All of the experience that I had around death and knowing the regrets that they have, I think that I could have been one of those statistics with a husband who wasn't supportive of this idea, you know, something's wrong with you.

[00:17:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Mm-hmm. Right. And so I think physicians feel trapped and, and a lot of them are choosing their way out through suicide, which is so sad. But then the other thing is, many of them are leaving to become life coaches. Mm-hmm. And then the interesting thing that I think is actually really unfortunate, and I understand now why this is happening, but the physicians who are being trained is life coaches.

[00:17:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: They then intentionally don't coach. It within their specialty, because legally they could get in trouble for it. Wow. And actually, I am a rare example of a physician who's left my specialty and then stayed within the same space and functioning in a coaching capacity because I'm not [00:18:00] diagnosing or using pharmaceuticals in my practice.

[00:18:03] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so there's a lot of things about the systems, the nuances that like, actually I just had a call with an attorney two days ago because I started my practice under a coaching. License or contracts, I guess, with my clients so that they know I'm not developing a patient doctor relationship and I'm not prescribing or diagnosing, but I can do, use all my expertise to help them navigate and, you know, do diet and supplements and all the other work.

[00:18:31] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But, um, basically they told me, I was asking if I could, you know, create a private practice where for select patients who I wanted to order lab tests and I wanted to prescribe that I could do that for them, you know, but it wouldn't necessarily be all of my clients. And so then they told me that, no, that's illegal.

[00:18:52] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Wow. Like you're, it's a stark violation, which is a, like a kickback law. You're referring to yourself. And I was like, I know, but, and [00:19:00] he was like, well, what's more important to you is all the stuff that you're doing with the diets and supplements and, you know, emotional work and all of that, is that more valuable your patients, or is it the lab testing and the pharmaceuticals?

[00:19:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I'm like, no doubt. It's all this other stuff. And he said, well, you gotta choose one. So, and I was just like, wow. So I understand this. I think the doctors are waking up, but I think the system and the powers at play are really challenging. Yeah. And it's, it's hard for them to step out. So that's that side.

[00:19:32] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then I will say I see a huge change in. Patients or people who are dealing with illness saying, no, I'm not doing it this standard way and I'm not gonna follow your protocol and I want to find out what my other options are. And so that to me, I see is a good sign. Yes. Because that's gonna force change when people are, you know, insisting that they have these other options and you're starting to see startups.

[00:19:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I've had been approached, [00:20:00] actually given my expertise in building, you know, systems of cancer care of these organizations that are wanting to build platforms to help people access the holistic, you know, um, services that can support them in their healing. So I think it's happening. I think it's gonna be really messy this Right.

[00:20:19] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, I think the system is broken for sure. And, um, I'm not sure that a change is gonna come with from within the system, but I think people are speaking with their money and with their attention.

[00:20:32] Chris Carton: Yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna say, um, I think, you know, 'cause Kev, we've talked about the medical system as a whole a few times on this podcast, and I think the conclusion that we've always kind of gotten to was it's gonna have to be the patients at large that are gonna have to start requesting different types of things.

[00:20:47] Chris Carton: I think one of really good example of that is, um, the NIH, um, and, you know, their funding, and I think it was like the early two thousands or maybe the late nine, the late 1990s, a lot of patients started to seek out, um, alternative medicines like, you know, [00:21:00] acupuncture, uh, massage chiropractic, and they actually had to increase the funding of the NIH and build a specific branch is that's studying these things because so many people were seeking it out.

[00:21:09] Chris Carton: I think that's kind of the shift that's gonna have to happen, you know, with, with the, the individual just seeking better care and you know, just kind of having enough with the system. Um, I did have a a a kind of a question. Um, so I guess, you know, when you're working with patients from, from this perspective, is there something that you can take.

[00:21:26] Chris Carton: Out of just say, oncology and people who are sick to just the average person Yeah. About some certain things that they should be doing. Or, or, or maybe can like paint a picture of like what like a healthy person looks like and like what they could be doing emotionally, you know, from their thought processes and all that stuff, just to get your perspective.

[00:21:42] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Sure. Well, and this is, this was my goal is I was like, I wanna get ahead like before people get cancer. But you know, one of the things that I've learned in this practice is that people with cancer are really motivated to make some big changes. And when people are healthy or like they think [00:22:00] they're healthy and kind of, it's going okay, it's harder to make some of these big changes.

[00:22:05] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I'll, let me explain what I think is happening and why we're getting sicker, and then I can address like what you can be doing to fortify yourself, because that's what I've spent the past couple years changing my whole lifestyle so that I can be healthy. But basically I think the problem is this, that our modern lifestyle is making us sick.

[00:22:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Okay, so we're disconnected from the natural sources of nourishment like the earth, right? So we used to live walking on the earth all day, sleeping on the earth. The earth is a like amazing source of electrons which reduce inflammation in the body. We are disconnected from the sun because everyone's, you know, the dermatologists are telling you you wear sunscreen and you're wearing sunglasses.

[00:22:51] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And we are designed actually for nourishment from the sun, just like plants, you know? But we've been taught now to be afraid of. This [00:23:00] source of energy that has never been a problem for, you know, millions of years. But suddenly we think it's a problem, and by the way, we're getting sicker at the same time.

[00:23:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So you put those two things together and say, Hmm, well if sunscreen and sunglasses are so effective, why are we having so much more skin cancer and sunburn all that? So, but I think that it's, we're moving so fast, we have so much stress. We're not eating the right foods. We're eating a lot of processed foods.

[00:23:27] Dr. Katie Deming MD: We're eating more sugar than we've ever eaten. We're eating a lot of genetically modified foods that even the vegetables and stuff that we're eating and then they're also glyphosate is, or Roundup is in everything. You just can't even get away from it because it's. Covering the earth, it's in the air, it's in the soil.

[00:23:45] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So there's so many things in there that are affecting us. And I think the thing is, is that, and you can see that if you look at the rise of all these illnesses, like I said, diabetes, obesity, neurodegenerative disease, cancer, [00:24:00] they're all rising. And it's correlating with the shift in our lifestyle. And so I think it comes down to we have to shift the way that we're living.

[00:24:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: We can't just keep going at the same rate that we're going and doing the same things and expect a different outcome. And so for me, it's not like I'm here on a screen with you with lights and everything, you know? And this is another piece of, you know, electrosmog and blue light and all this stuff. It's like.

[00:24:27] Dr. Katie Deming MD: No, we're gonna live our life, like we're gonna use the technology, but then you have to understand that it has an impact on your body and your wellbeing. And so you need to do other things to fortify yourself and to create more resilience in the body. It's not about issuing the modern lifestyle. It's about putting things in that are getting you what you need, and then being more mindful about the things that are toxic for your body, which we are surrounded by, right?

[00:24:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Between products, foods, [00:25:00] all the things. And so a couple things that I think are really simple are, number one, getting your water right. So we are bodies of water. Our bodies are 99.9% water. If you look at the molecules. We're 70% water by volume. Like if you just look at the volume of the human body. But our molecules are 99.9% water.

[00:25:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Most of us are drinking toxic water. The water that comes out of your tap has. Chlorine. Most states have fluoride. They have other, um, carcinogens in there. But the, the other piece that people don't realize is they also have pharmaceuticals in the water because the sewer water is cleaned with the, the water that comes through the municipal system.

[00:25:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So there's contamination there. And the study now, it's been probably, I don't know, maybe 16, 17 years ago, but they just tested municipal tap water in different cities in the [00:26:00] US and they found chemotherapy agents, antidepressants. Hormones, antibiotics, a whole bunch of things that we just don't want in our body.

[00:26:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So the first thing that I would say to people is, you need to get good filtered water. And that is not from a Brita filter or the filter in your refrigerator, that's something like reverse osmosis or one of these other ones that use nano filters. But getting clean, filtered water, I would say is like a huge must given that we are water.

[00:26:31] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So that's number one. The second thing is looking at what you're eating. You know, processed foods, we all know this, this is simple. Like with the food, it's like, but it's so hard. And the other thing is that I just had this conversation with my colleague and friend who's a naturopath, and she started asking at every restaurant, even at like very, you know, um, conscious restaurants, are they mixing the olive oil with seed oils?

[00:26:59] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And sure enough, you [00:27:00] cannot eat out. Without getting seed oils. Basically, even if they say they're using olive oil, they're splitting it with, um, canola oil. So it's like eating out is a problem, which is frustrating, right? With the busy lifestyle and all of that. But it's like the processed foods, then the eating out where you can't control what's in the food.

[00:27:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So, and, and then sugar, really sugar is a toxin. It's like, you know, putting syrup in your blood, basically. Um, the sugar in our, in our diet. So those are two things that are so foundational and basic. But then the other thing is connecting with the elements and getting out into nature, grounding in the earth, you know, to get those electrons, um, to help.

[00:27:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Combat the inflammation I do. Um, walking in the morning when the sun is coming up to get the red light from the sun and then going out in midday and getting, you know, [00:28:00] sunlight during the day. I don't wear sunglasses, so a lot of people don't know this, but the sun are eyes are designed to register sunlight and then it sends a signal to our skin to, um, create me melanin.

[00:28:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And that's how we develop a tan, right? If you think about it, before we had sunglasses or anything, we were just outside all the time and we didn't have to wear sunscreen, right? It was because your eyes register the sunlight, tell your skin to make melanin, and then you develop a healthy tan, and people were spending more time out in the sun.

[00:28:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: If you are wearing sunglasses, your body is not getting the right signals that you're outside. And then if you do spend time outside without sunscreen, you're gonna burn. Right. So it's like, it's interesting, these things that are designed to protect us are actually maybe harming us. And also sunscreen, same thing that when we slather ourselves with sunscreen, we're not getting the vitamin D that we need from the sun.

[00:28:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I don't wear sunscreen, you know? And people are like, oh, you're gonna age so fast. And I'm like, [00:29:00] look at me. I'm 50. I never wear sunscreen on my face, and I only use castor oil on my skin. So I'm not using any of those products. I'm telling you that sunburn and aging and stuff is related to, um, us not giving, letting our bodies acclimate to the sun and also our diet.

[00:29:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So if you're eating a diet that's very high in carbohydrates or sugar, you're more likely to burn. And so these are things that we're just not taught right, but it's like starting to what I'm teaching my clients, and then these are things that anyone can do is starting to look back to like, what, what are the nutrients that we were getting before we were living the lifestyle that we're living now?

[00:29:41] Chris Carton: Hmm. I, I love, uh, how you started that with saying that it's, it's from our modern lifestyle because I, again, and then all the little practical things that you gave it, it really kind of gives the power back to individuals saying there are things that you can change. Um, I have a couple of things to mention about either each of those, though.

[00:29:57] Chris Carton: The, the water piece. So I, when I moved to [00:30:00] Florida, um, we originally had our tap water here and the Florida waters, you can smell the chlorine in the tap water of the, of, of Florida. It's, it's wild. So we got a reverse osmosis, uh, water filter under the sink. It's great. Um, so that, that's awesome. So the, the water thing is definitely a piece.

[00:30:16] Chris Carton: Um, I love that you mentioned grounding, because I did a paper on grounding in acupuncture school, and the, I think that's, that's being slept on right now. Like, there's, there's so many health benefits from grounding the electrons, the an, the inflammation, all that stuff. It's great. Um, and then, you know, diet, I think everyone can make small changes with their diet to, to, to, you know, to really, um, to, uh, impact their health.

[00:30:36] Chris Carton: Um, I don't know if you've heard of this app called the seed oil scout.

[00:30:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: No. Mm-hmm.

[00:30:40] Chris Carton: No, it's, it's, uh, it's an app. It, it costs like $2 a month you pay for it. But basically, um, it shows you all of the restaurants in your area and it shows you which ones you seed oils and which ones don't. And they kind of rate it with like a green, yellow, red system.

[00:30:54] Chris Carton: Um, so that's pretty cool. I don't know if you, you can potentially use that for clients who can kind of need that. It's, it's a really interesting [00:31:00] nifty app. Um, but yeah, I, I love all those things. It's, it just, again, it's just, it, it's the, the simple things that you do over, over time that can really end up making a huge difference

[00:31:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: when Yeah.

[00:31:11] Dr. Katie Deming MD: No, and I lo thank you for sharing that app. I hadn't heard of that. That's amazing. Yeah. And I think this is a thing. Cancer or these other chronic illnesses don't develop overnight. Mm-hmm. It's the cumulative, so exactly what you just said is making little changes and also. When I started realizing how toxic everything is, I initially, I kind of freaked out, and this is what my clients do too.

[00:31:35] Dr. Katie Deming MD: They're like, oh my gosh. But it's like I tell them, I'm like, no, it's, it's not, you're not gonna get it perfect. Mm-hmm. It's making progress and doing the little things. And one of the other things that really for me was motivating is that, you know, you, you asked about emotional, you know, things that you can do from an emotional standpoint, but we, we have data that show emotional trauma.

[00:31:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Has a higher [00:32:00] incidence of illness, including cancer. So the, the biggest study on that is the ACE study, which is the adverse childhood Events Study followed children from childhood into adulthood and counted the number of adverse childhood events, which could be sexual abuse, physical abuse, neglect, divorce of parents, parent incarcerated, a parent with.

[00:32:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Um, substance abuse, kind of all these different things. And it looked at what is their incidence of getting an illness later in life based, you know, depending on their ACE score. And what they found was the higher the number of these adverse childhood events, the higher the incidence of cancer, diabetes, heart disease.

[00:32:41] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So we know there is this connection between emotional trauma and illness, and this is something that we're not talking about at all. But for me, when I went through my divorce and leaving, so like I had so many losses within one year, I like lost my marriage. I lost [00:33:00] my career that I had spent my whole life building.

[00:33:02] Dr. Katie Deming MD: My mom died, I moved, you know, all the major stressors that I knew I needed to fortify myself. And so with this process, I, I knew there were so many things that I needed to change about my life and my environment. But I knew that if I stressed about doing all of them, that was just adding to the emotional trauma and stress.

[00:33:23] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Right. And so I had to just take it one thing at a time that I was like, okay, this is the first thing that I'm gonna do, and then I'm gonna do the next thing. And I think that's really important because it can be very overwhelming that you just feel like, oh my gosh, I'm just, it's just not even worth it.

[00:33:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Or you, or, or you're paranoid about everything, which I think is actually really problematic and can create illness. So I just, I encourage that, that as people think about these changes, think about 'em as empowering. I love that you said that, Chris. This is empowering that like we are not stuck with this, these statistics, if we start to take the power back into [00:34:00] our own hands and make decisions with our behavior.

[00:34:04] Chris Carton: Yeah. Well

[00:34:05] Kevin Carton: said.

[00:34:06] Chris Carton: Um, Kevin, did you have a question or I can. Well,

[00:34:10] Kevin Carton: it's more of a, more as just a comment 'cause I'm glad you really emphasized what you just said, Katie, that it, like the stress about making all these changes is really important to mitigate because if you do then it's just more of the same problem basically.

[00:34:24] Kevin Carton: It's like the same energy. So I love that. And um, I'm curious, is there any recommendation that you have usually, which I guess Chris, I do have a question that just flowed out of this comment, but, um, uh, recommendations that you often give to clients to help them make those simple changes. Because I think a normal reaction for any human is like when they actually hear about all of these different toxic ways in which modern life is, it can be overwhelming, I think just naturally.

[00:34:51] Kevin Carton: So what are the ways you approach that and how you help your clients or patients now?

[00:34:57] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah, well, I, I start with [00:35:00] what are they the most motivated to change? And looking at what, for them already feels out of alignment that they know needs to shift. And maybe they just didn't have the push yet. And then we'll start there and just, but the other thing is, I do always start with the water.

[00:35:17] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I'm like, the water is like a very foundational piece, so Right. If you're gonna do one, make one change. This is a big one that can make a big difference for people. But then I think the thing is this is, there's not like a right order. To do these things. And sometimes I like to just find the low hanging fruit.

[00:35:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Like, what's something that you already feel like you wanna change, but maybe you hadn't had the time or motivation, and let's knock out the easiest ones first so that you start to get some confidence and success. 'cause that motivates people, right? There's nothing mm-hmm. Less motivat motivating than being overwhelmed and not making any progress.

[00:35:53] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Right. But if we start to make progress and they're like, oh, I can make these little shifts and changes, that's where I start. I [00:36:00] start wherever the person is, right. And what they're motivated to do. Because, you know, if you have no motivation to do it, then it's, it's gonna be challenging to make those changes.

[00:36:12] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So that's why I always say that. And then the other thing is that doing things that are going to give you the biggest impact on the way you feel. And so helping people with their circadian biology, like the sunrise and the sunset, you helping people get their rhythms right and you know, blocking blue light in the evening, that kind of thing will help them sleep better.

[00:36:37] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And if they're sleeping better, then they're gonna feel better. So doing those things that I know can quickly make shifts, like the circadian rhythm stuff, I think is another good place to start. You know, and for some people it's like, I don't wanna wake up when the sun comes up. But if you wake up within the first two hours of the sun coming up and just face east and get some of that red [00:37:00] light, it's telling your body, okay, it's daytime, we're coming online.

[00:37:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then if you get some midday sun, that's good for your vitamin D. And it's also just you feel better with getting that sunlight at the sunlight structures, the water in our bodies. So I don't know if you guys are familiar with the work of Gerald Pollock. So, Gerald Pollock, um, is a researcher out of University of Washington, and he has a book called The Fourth Phase of Water.

[00:37:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But water exists in four phases. We typically think of it as in three phases. So water, which is, we think of water as liquid, right? And then, um, ice, which is solid. And then, uh, steam, which is a vapor. And basically, um, what he showed was that the water, our water exists in a fourth phase and that fourth phase of water is a gel-like phase.

[00:37:51] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And you guys are gonna geek out on this actually if you, after this, if you research the water stuff, it's really, really profound because the [00:38:00] main experiment that he did that, that. Um, demonstrated the existence of what he calls a fourth phase of water, or the other name for it is exclusion Zone water or easy water was a study where they took a beaker of water and they put a tube made out of nap Aon in the, uh, beaker of water.

[00:38:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So imagine it like, it's like a test tube that's open on both sides, and then it's down in the, in the beaker of water. And what he noticed was that the water started moving through that tube in a specific direction, and there was no battery, you know, connected to the beaker. It was like, what is the energy source and why is the water moving?

[00:38:43] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And what he found was that the water on the inside of the tube started creating these hexagonal layers of water along the tube. And he called this. Exclusion zone water because it excluded, like if you put something in the water, [00:39:00] like a solute or something, it would stay out of that area. So something about this water was keeping, you know, um, things out of the, that layer.

[00:39:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then what he found was, is that that layer of water is not H2O, it's H 3 0 2. And because of that, it has a negative charge. So H 3 0 2 has a negative charge. H2O has a positive charge. And it was that charge differential between this layer that was forming along the tube and the charge of the water in the beaker that was propelling it through.

[00:39:35] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Mm-hmm. So showing that this water has a different property. And then he took the beaker of water and he put it in a lead vault. And what they found was the water stopped. And the reason why it stopped is because the energy source, the thing that was helping to develop this layer of wa of easy water was infrared.

[00:39:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Which we're surrounded by infrared and the sun is our biggest source of [00:40:00] infrared. And actually when you go to nature, you start to see that plants, the water that plants hold in them is this fourth phase or easy water. And that's why, you know, in the desert, people can survive without water because they eat the plants that have the structured water within it.

[00:40:20] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And it turns out we are the same, that when we are optimally functioning, we have healthy mitochondria. The mitochondria are responsible for the mechanism of the structuring of the water. It's more complicated. But basically you need healthy mitochondria to make this happen. When we have healthy mitochondria.

[00:40:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: We structure the water in our cells, and this helps with the voltage of our cells. And healthy cells have like negative charge associated with them. So our negative charge actually comes from the easy water in our cells. So anyway, we are much like the plants in that the sun is nourishing [00:41:00] us and structuring the water in our bodies.

[00:41:04] Chris Carton: Very interesting. Wow. I love it's the, the voltage piece of that is so interesting. Um, I'm trying to think, uh. Um, I don't know if you've ever read this book or heard about it. Um, Katie, it's called, uh, the Body Electric.

[00:41:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Mm-hmm.

[00:41:16] Chris Carton: Mm-hmm. And that book talks a lot about voltage and in the body and, and, and that there's a very interesting book and, you know, the guy studied like regeneration and salamanders and like the, the, the positive and negative potential of the nervous system.

[00:41:27] Chris Carton: So that's a really good book. If anyone's super interested in voltage. It's a little bit of an older book with older work, but a lot of it still applies today. Yeah. Um, which is really interesting. I had a, um, just as a random question, it kind of relates to water. Um. Well, what's your take on like, uh, electrolytes in water?

[00:41:44] Chris Carton: Because I know for people who have reverse osmosis water, I think it literally strips out everything. So it's literally just pure water, like no, no minerals or anything. So I kind of want to get your take on that for anyone who's thinking of like upping their, uh, filter game.

[00:41:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. Okay. So water, you can't [00:42:00] really bougie.

[00:42:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I'm really bougie with my water because water is, it's a big deal. So filtration is the first step, but you're exactly right. That water that is optimal would be An example of that is spring water, right? That we are always looking to nature for like, you know, what is the water that we would've been drinking?

[00:42:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And spring water is filtered naturally through the rocks. So the, the, as the water runs through the layers of earth, it's naturally filtered, but then it's also mineralized, which you're talking about. So natural spring water is filtered, it's mineralized. It's also structured like what I was just talking about, and then it also has light in it because there's light in the crystals and that infuses into the water.

[00:42:45] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so water that is ideal, like a spring water has those four features. So you're absolutely right that if you use reverse osmosis, you want to add a pinch of salt to your water or [00:43:00] take a mineral supplement so that you're getting that mineralization, because otherwise the water is less hydrating. If you drink water that is not mineralized, it can just run through you.

[00:43:12] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So, um, you can just add a pinch of salt. So I tell people, you can do a pinch of Himalayan salt or volcanic salt or Celtic salt, and that will give you the minerals that you need. I personally don't use. All of the electrolyte little packets, and I know that a lot of the people in the more natural space use LM t Personally, I just like to go with what nature's given us, but I think those are okay.

[00:43:35] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, I would it. I think that you, there's, you know, sweeteners, I think mentee is probably the best one in terms of a packaged one, but just a pinch of salt would do that. But then the other thing is that to structure your water, you can use something. The cheapest way to do this is something called an ana lemon wand.

[00:43:54] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the ana alma wand structures the water and you basically just stir it [00:44:00] in the water for about a minute. Mm-hmm. And you can actually do your day's water, you know, like take a, um, whatever a container and, you know, make your water for the day and, and structure it and it will keep it for that day. So the alma wand, I think it's about $180.

[00:44:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: That's like the cheapest way to do that because I've been on this water quest and it's funny people who know me, they're like, oh, Katie's gonna start talking about water again. Here we go. But for me, the one system on the market that actually does all of these things of filtering, structuring, mineralizing, and energizing is something called spring aqua.

[00:44:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And basically they, they call it a ecosystem in a box. Um, they don't use any electricity in the process. It really is just using natural crystals and, um, n nano filters for the filtration. But it creates the water that is ideally structured like this. And then in, I have the wet seven by spring aqua, and that [00:45:00] one has structured mineralized, you know, uh, filtered water on the left side, and then the right side is al colonized.

[00:45:08] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And hydrogen hydrogen water. And so, but you have to be careful. So this is one thing that I actually want people to know about water is a lot of people are drinking hydrogen water these days, and hydrogen water is al colonized, and so it has a higher pH than our body. And you can overdr alkaline water and basically shift your pH too much.

[00:45:32] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so generally the recommendation is one liter of alkaline water per day. If it's structured like in the spring aqua, the idea is maybe it doesn't matter because if you think about structured water in fruits, so an apple is out more alkaline and an orange is more acidic, but when you eat those, it doesn't alkalinize or acidify your body because the water in those fruits is structured.

[00:45:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Now for me, I think that's theoretical. [00:46:00] This is the idea, but I, so I still limit my amount of structure of, uh, hydrogen water, um, to roughly one liter a day for that reason.

[00:46:10] Chris Carton: Hmm, can I can have a whole podcast on water? Literally. Yeah.

[00:46:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Oh, you could have a whole season on water, I'm telling you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:46:19] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Go ahead

[00:46:20] Chris Carton: Kev.

[00:46:20] Kevin Carton: I got into it a bit. Um, 'cause uh, I've had psoriasis for many years of my life and one of the things that I know is like a, it's a lot of the gut, but then also like the pH of the body and I looked into Kangen water. I'm curious if you're familiar with that and like what your take is on that.

[00:46:35] Kevin Carton: 'cause that's hydrogen water.

[00:46:37] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yes. So what's interesting is, uh, there is a woman, her name's Isabelle Friend, and she water, her website is water is Life. And she is like just a wealth of knowledge about water. But she really cautions against Kangan or other hydrogen waters that are created through electrolysis because you're electrocuting the water.

[00:46:59] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And water is a [00:47:00] living being. I don't know if that is. I don't know if that makes a difference, but Sure. What she describes, because all she does is talk to people in council about water is she says that oftentimes people who are drinking water that was created by electrolysis, like Kenan is, they're kind of like jumpy, a little bit more jumpy, and I don't have that experience.

[00:47:20] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Right. So I can't speak to it, but this is what I've heard. So, um, yeah, I'm not sure the, the, the unit that I use with spring aqua, they don't use electrolysis for their hydrogen water. There are three ways that you can create hydrogen, water, magnesium, potassium, or electrolysis. And the, the system that I have uses potassium to do that.

[00:47:41] Kevin Carton: Hmm. Interesting. Thank you for sharing that. Well, currently I don't, I, I tried out that system once, but um, I didn't really notice a ton of a difference, but it was also only for like about two months. But currently right now, I also use just an under the water, uh, under the sink water filter called Hydro Viv.

[00:47:58] Kevin Carton: They were on Shark Tank. Uh, it's like [00:48:00] a very unique like filter filtration system that's based on your city for like what's going on in water. Oh yeah. Water for

[00:48:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: what's in your city. Yeah. And that Spring Rock was the same way, is that they take your zip code and they're assessing your system to make sure it's filtering what is relevant for your area so that that's great actually.

[00:48:19] Kevin Carton: Sweet. And that, yeah, and Hydro Viv is actually pretty cheap. It's like, I think it's like 230 or something like that. 250 for like a system, and then it's like 70 bucks every six months for a canoe filter, so, oh, yeah.

[00:48:30] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So that's good. That's very affordable. It's,

[00:48:32] Kevin Carton: yeah, I, I've been really enjoying it a lot in the last like, I don't know, four or five years since I've had it.

[00:48:37] Kevin Carton: Yeah. But. Anyway, that's just a complete side. Yeah. More personal, anything than anything.

[00:48:42] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love it. I love learning about different systems, so

[00:48:46] Chris Carton: it's good. Yeah. Um, just, just to maybe as we're kind of, you know, running out of time here, sadly, but I know we, we talked a lot about water, which was the first, I guess, principle that you kind of brought up in the steps.

[00:48:56] Chris Carton: Um, can you maybe share like a, um, like a beginner [00:49:00] tip for maybe food? Because I know food can be very, uh, confusing and if you go to the supermarket, there's tons of things you can buy. Like there's, you know, some people don't know how to read labels. Like is there something that you tell clients who maybe don't know anything about nutrition, anything about food, like where to start with kind of upping your food game?

[00:49:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. So what I say is that I look to what would we have done before we had all of this modern technology and the supermarkets, and the truth is, we would've been eating meat that we would've hunted, and then we would've been eating. A few plants and, you know, fruits and vegetables that we could get in season.

[00:49:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Mm-hmm. So I tell people to stick to the perimeter of the stores when you go in and then really eating in season and eating, you know, the meat that you eat, the quality of the meat is very, very important. So, you know, there's all this about red meat being bad, [00:50:00] but the truth is, is that. Red meat in the context of what industrialized red meat.

[00:50:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then with a diet that has a bunch of other processed foods and you know, too many carbohydrates. And it's like the studies people say that red meat is inflammatory and bad, but then if you look at people on a ketogenic diet who are eating clean meat and very low carbohydrates, it's not inflammatory at all.

[00:50:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so for me it's, it's more about looking back to what we would've been eating. And so for me, I eat, make sure I'm getting good protein and the source of that protein is really important. So for red meat, it's grass fed. If you can afford to do grass finished even better. But I think even if you can just get grass fed, it's better knowing where your meat came from, buying it at the farmer's market, you know, and getting it frozen.

[00:50:47] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And now there's actually subscription services where. These ranchers have gotten together and you can just have your meat shipped to you and then, you know, but basically grass fed, if it's beef, you [00:51:00] know, pasture raised for chicken your eggs, making sure that those are pasture raised. I think thinking about where your food is coming from and the frequency of these animals.

[00:51:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Mm-hmm. So you always wanna think about. Animals and plants, like the food that you're eating should be raised in the environment that is for its highest good and its lifetime, you know, and then it's, you know, used as food, but it's basically been treated humanely and given what it needs to have a full life, um, before it's sacrificed for the food.

[00:51:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So that's, that's a big piece. And then, um, I think really the seed oils is a big one, just as is a easy one that you can just switch out right away. So, getting rid of any seed oils. The, the oils that I use for cooking are olive oil, avocado oil, ghee, which is great. And then grass fed butter. And I do a lot of grass fed butter.

[00:51:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I think that there's this whole thing about like, [00:52:00] meat is bad or whatever. The grocery store and the way that we eat today, if you think about it, a grocery store is not how we were designed to eat, where you have every fruit and vegetable all year round. It's like mm-hmm. No, that's not nature. You know, nature is what's in season.

[00:52:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So, uh, what I say is, you know, the vegetables trying to eat in season is gonna help because your body is designed to acclimate to the environment that you're living in. So those are some simple tips that I would say.

[00:52:28] Chris Carton: Awesome. I love it.

[00:52:30] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah.

[00:52:30] Chris Carton: The, the, the, the shopping around the perimeter is, I think, one of the, the coolest things I've learned over the last few years.

[00:52:36] Chris Carton: 'cause I noticed that I do that anyway, but then when someone told me that, it's like, oh yeah, you know, you have like your, your dairy and your meat, and then your fruits and vegetables are all on the outside, and you start walking towards the middle, and that's where you get all your processed stuff and everything.

[00:52:47] Chris Carton: So kind of just simply staying towards the outside, it's,

[00:52:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: it's good. Yeah.

[00:52:51] Chris Carton: Yeah.

[00:52:52] Dr. Katie Deming MD: That's where the real food is. Mm-hmm.

[00:52:56] Kevin Carton: I'm curious, Katie. Uh, just this will bring the conversation a little bit in different [00:53:00] direction, and I know we have maybe like 10 minutes left, max, but, um, you mentioned, uh, this is actually literally in the topic that you chose about like the, the spirituality of this approach.

[00:53:10] Kevin Carton: And so I'm curious, like, honestly, anywhere you want to take back, 'cause like a lot of what we have talked about, there's like, even just like parts of what you shared already, just for example, recently and what you just shared about the nutrition, about like, how say like the, the food or in this case, like animals were treated before they were then sacrificed for our food, like how they were treated.

[00:53:33] Kevin Carton: I think that's like honestly a spiritual approach mm-hmm. Of like caring about that. Um, but I'm curious if there's any other, or any other emphasis you wanted to share in terms of like the, the spiritual approach that you take in terms of helping people heal.

[00:53:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Sure. Well, and I said, um, earlier that the approach that I use for cancer is called conscious oncology, right?

[00:53:53] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the pillars of conscious oncology are diet, nutrition, water, physical [00:54:00] practices, which ties into the circadian biology, emotional healing, mental healing, and spiritual healing. But the, the idea that all healing comes from consciousness is that if you look at, there are people who have had near death experiences.

[00:54:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So Anita Marjani is a very good example. Are you guys familiar with her book? Dying to Be Me?

[00:54:23] Kevin Carton: No.

[00:54:24] Dr. Katie Deming MD: No. Okay, so this is an incredible book. So Anita basically developed cancer and then had a near-death experience. She was full of lymphoma and her kidneys had gone into failure. She was in a coma and basically, you know, they said that she would have a few hours to live.

[00:54:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: She had a near-death experience. During her near-death experience, she saw that she had created the cancer through her fear. She, her biggest fear was developing cancer and she was vegan and she was like the picture of what you would think to avoid cancer. But here her. Like that kind of tightness around doing all the right things is actually what [00:55:00] created this illness in her body.

[00:55:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And she saw that if she came back into her body, that she could heal it because she had created it. And so she came back in and sure enough, she healed it. And for me, I think that that is possible. I think what happened is she connected to her divine nature. And our divine nature can heal, right? So this is our divine right, that our body is designed to heal, but we need to get all the pieces lined up for that to happen.

[00:55:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I don't think you need to die to have that happen. So my pillars, I don't think any one of these things is the cure for cancer, but what we're doing is we're detoxifying the body and nourishing it with what it needs so that people can get aligned so that divine healing can happen. And now I'm seeing it in my practice where I've had, I've only been.

[00:55:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Really in practice. I started in October, but really didn't start seeing patients until about February. So maybe five months now. Yeah. And I already have two people who have cured their cancer [00:56:00] with doing this approach, and it's this connection. And so when I think about spirituality and this healing, like the healing comes from our divine nature.

[00:56:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: We are divine, but we've taken on this human body for this lifetime. But when we can connect those two and we can remove the blocks that keep us connected from our divine nature, the healing just happens naturally. And the spiritual aspect of my practice specifically is not like any specific path or you know, anything about God or whatever.

[00:56:35] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It's actually about. Who are you authentically? Who did you come here to be? And let's look at the ways you've baby been conditioned to become someone else. Like for example, me. I had been conditioned to be this doctor and doing these things, and it's been this peeling back to get myself back in touch with who I am and why I came to this planet in the first place.

[00:56:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And when we're aligned like that with who we [00:57:00] really are, it's very powerful. And the body's healing capabilities are tied to that alignment. So that's a big part of my practice, helping people starting to let go. Sometimes you don't know what you are meant to do, you just know what's not right. And as you peel back just like I did, making those decisions to let things go, you start to get more connected with who you are.

[00:57:23] Chris Carton: I love it.

[00:57:24] Kevin Carton: Beautifully said, Adam. Yeah.

[00:57:27] Chris Carton: Yeah, when I was, um, practicing acupuncture, that's kind of like what I would tell patients. It's like, I'm not doing anything. I'm just like helping your body get into the right, like, you know, physical place and mental place so that the natural healing abilities can just take over.

[00:57:41] Chris Carton: Like it's, you're doing the work. So I think that's very much in alignment with what you said, so it's cool.

[00:57:51] Chris Carton: Well, I mean, other questions, Chris? Um, I, I mean, I, I, I feel like I have so many questions that I can go to, but just [00:58:00] in, in the, uh, the interest of, of time and not taking the podcast a completely other way in 30 minutes, um, we might wanna, you know, Katie, we usually leave some space at the end for, for you to say anything that, you know, maybe we didn't get to, you know, during our discussion that you want our listeners to know.

[00:58:15] Chris Carton: And then also just kind of places where, um, people can find you if they wanna connect with you more.

[00:58:20] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Sure. Well, I think the one thing that I would say is that. I don't believe the narrative about cancer anymore. I don't think that cancer is incurable. I don't think that it's. Ever too late. I, it's never too late to heal.

[00:58:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It's, instead of doing too a double negative, I'll say, it's never too late to heal. And I think Anita's story is, is an example of that. And I'm also seeing in my practice where one of those radical remissions was someone with a brain tumor who her cancer had spread to her brain and that went away. So I think letting people know that these scary diagnoses, there's a way to heal that our bodies are [00:59:00] way, and our minds are way more powerful than we've been led to believe.

[00:59:05] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And that, I think that that's important for people to know because there aren't a lot of doctors out there saying that that's possible. And I really do believe that, and I believed it when I stepped into this practice. But now that I'm seeing it, I'm like, okay, this is exciting to really be changing the narrative about what's possible.

[00:59:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And if people wanna find me, they can find me@katiedeming.com. And my podcast is called Born to Heal, and on my podcast. It's, um, I started it before I left Western Medicine. So the first couple seasons are these little snippets of helping people who are getting conventional therapy. But starting in February of this past year, or 2024, I started to share my story of leaving Western medicine and then bringing on guests that are teaching me the things that I really believe doctors should be taught in medical school and teaching my audience along with me.

[00:59:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So it's been like I'm a student again and I'm learning and I'm bringing my, um, [01:00:00] audience along on that journey. And actually, Daryl Pollock from the fourth phase of Water was my first guest on the new season. So I'll send you guys that episode so you can hear his work because he's incredible.

[01:00:10] Kevin Carton: That's awesome.

[01:00:11] Kevin Carton: Great. Thank you for doing the work you're doing in the world. I think it's really essential for our whole planet.

[01:00:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Thank you guys. Well, thank you for what you're doing. I, I am so grateful to be on here and to share my little piece of what I'm doing.

[01:00:26] Kevin Carton: That's it for today. Thanks for tuning in. We really hope you enjoyed listening to this episode.

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