Episode 119 | Deuterium Depleted Water Helped Cancer Patients Live 3–5x Longer with Dr. Petra Davelaar, Naturopathic Doctor

[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Hello everyone. I'm Dr. Katie Deming, and this is the Born to Heal Podcast where we share practical tools and knowledge to help you create conditions for true healing in your life. Let's welcome to the show, Dr. Petra Davelaar. Welcome Petra.

[00:00:15] Petra Davelaar: Thank you so much. It's my pleasure to be here.

[00:00:19] Dr. Katie Deming: I'm excited to have you and we are gonna be talking about Deuterium depleted water, which actually really excites me. And I think though, I wanna just [00:00:30] start by, can you tell us what is Deuterium depleted water and why should people care about it?

[00:00:35] Petra Davelaar: Of course, yes. So I think we should probably first define Deuterium. Deuterium is the stable isotope of hydrogen. Now, as you may know, on the periodic table, all of the elements, many of. Them have a different form of a certain element. Hydrogen is no different. There's actually two different forms.

[00:00:58] Petra Davelaar: We won't talk about Tridium, but we will [00:01:00] talk about Deuterium and it received its own name because it's such an unusual isotope. If you, for instance, would look at. Carbon that has, uh, it's C 12, but it has C 13. the difference in size is, and weight is only 8%, but if you look at hydrogen and Deuterium, it's 100% difference.

[00:01:23] Petra Davelaar: So that makes any molecule that Deuterium is part of. Function differently.so [00:01:30] Deuterium is in all water, in, in, in all water, all over the planet. It's in our bodies, it's in our food. It's, it's, it's in nature. It's in the air we breathe, it's everywhere. But it's in different concentrations depending on where you are, depending on what, how your food was, created and grown.

[00:01:49] Petra Davelaar: and Deuterium is important because if we have it in excess levels in our body, that creates mitochondrial dysfunction. And ultimately we've [00:02:00] also, Named, Deuterium. An onco isotope, meaning it is, gives rise to oncogenesis. And, therefore, it is important for us to understand how Deuterium actually functions in our body, what its role is, how we can regulate it, how we can quickly lower levels, what kind of effect that has, and how you can think about using this in your practice.

[00:02:28] Petra Davelaar: Does that make sense?

[00:02:29] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:02:30] Absolutely. And I just for the listeners, so. Dr. Davelaar is on a ranch, which is why you hear cows in the background, which I think is incredible. It's so funny 'cause you hear these woo in the background, so I love it. So yes, all of that makes absolute sense and I love that you're calling from this like beautiful, picturesque place on your.

[00:02:49] Dr. Katie Deming: Porch there where we could to see the cows right behind you. and thank you. That's obviously like a very important place to start, just with what is Deuterium and what is the role that [00:03:00] Deuterium plays in our health and also in potentially illness as well. so tell us how does it play? Like what is the role that Deuterium is playing in our body?

[00:03:11] Petra Davelaar: Yeah. So it is a really important for what you can think of as structural proteins. So bone and connective tissue that holds shape, but you don't want it in moving proteins because there it will actually change the function of any particular proteins. So let's think for [00:03:30] a minute about DNA that has a, A sugar backbone and it's surrounded by hydrogens. If we have a Deuterium on certain one of those places where hydrogen should be, that will change how that DNA is transcribed so you don't actually. Even have to have a genetic mutation or variation, or however we wanna call it, epigenetics, that can just be Deuterium.

[00:03:56] Petra Davelaar: That changes how DNA is ultimately transcribed. [00:04:00] So that, that's one way. You can also think of it as, cholesterol. Cholesterol is, I think it's 27 carbons, 44 hydrogens. And if the sun comes down on it, we, get the resonance of the hydrogen bonds and them. The carbon between, C nine and C 10 breaks open and you have vitamin D.

[00:04:21] Petra Davelaar: But if you have Deuterium attached to the carbon C at, nine or 10, that bond needs [00:04:30] seven to nine times the strength to be broken. So you can't make your vitamin D, you're gonna have higher cholesterol, but you don't have vitamin D in your bloodstream. Right? So you, this is how it would change how our bodies actually.

[00:04:44] Petra Davelaar: Function now the same goes, for three, three very specific places where we don't want it. We don't want elevated levels inside of the mitochondrial matrix. Because if it gets in there, it eventually wants to [00:05:00] come out and it needs to exit through what we call Complex five ATPAs, which is, is beautiful conserved over millions of years, both in plants and humans and animals.

[00:05:11] Petra Davelaar: It's this nanomolar that spins at a rate of 9,000, uh, rotations per second, and these. protons are supposed to leave back out. That's how we create energy. But if there's a Deuterium atom in there, it will slam [00:05:30] that engine close because you can think of it as. Department store the rotating doors, the delivery man comes with all these packages doesn't actually fit in the door.

[00:05:40] Petra Davelaar: And boom, you crash, shut that door. Right? You don't go any further. So if that happens to a lot of different nano motors within one mitochondria, you get this breakdown of function of, of the mitochondria. And, and so that, that is one important place. you also don't really want Deuterium elevated [00:06:00] levels in.

[00:06:01] Petra Davelaar: The cytoplasm of a cell, glycolysis takes place in the cytoplasm. The process of glycolysis, as we all had to learn these 10 different reactions is very specific. What is happening is there is a, if there was a Deuterium atom on that structure that they're breaking down, that will be exchanged for a hydrogen in the cytoplasm.

[00:06:22] Petra Davelaar: However, if you have accumulated excess levels of Deuterium in your tissues and in [00:06:30] intracellularly. um, the chances that you pick up a, an another Deuterium is actually higher than it should be. And so you are not able to protect the mitochondria from more Deuterium coming in. Now, there is a third place that I think of is important, um, that we don't have access levels, but we want just right levels.

[00:06:50] Petra Davelaar: And that is the glycocalyx.every single tissue, every cell, every. Artery and vein is lined with a layer [00:07:00] called the Glycocalyx. This is this bi continuous nano infrastructure that really regulates cellular traffic in and out of the cell. And from there you have this beautiful, sulfate glycans, kind of like grasses, if you will.

[00:07:17] Petra Davelaar: That flow with blood flow or it on their lymph flow, whatever that is, and it maintains, it needs to maintain structure and those go into that glycocalyx. The glycocalyx is a tubules of [00:07:30] water molecules. And if, there's. Enough Deuterium, there's enough strength for everything to function well. If there's too much, this will prevent the, the correct curvature and conductivity of the trafficking in and out of the cell.

[00:07:45] Petra Davelaar: And so that then inhibits, any natural tr treatments or other cancer treatments that you may do. We'll simply not even be able to penetrate the cell. So, Trying to lower the thickness of that level and have it in, in a, most optimal place [00:08:00] that is ideal. So ultimately, by implementing different strategies to regulate or lower specifically Deuterium is really, really helpful.

[00:08:10] Dr. Katie Deming: Okay. This I, this is wonderful. I love how you're breaking this down and how you're describing this because I think a lot of people. Don't understand these aspects of where Deuterium is playing a role in our body. And also, you know, it's not just about lowering, it's, it's about getting, making sure we're getting the [00:08:30] levels correct for optimal function and that Deuterium is naturally occurring, that this is natural, that we have it in our bodies.

[00:08:37] Dr. Katie Deming: but that. Figure learning about this and then understanding what is the appropriate level and learning how to adjust that is a way that people can use this information to help their bodies function optimally. So I love that.

[00:08:52] Petra Davelaar: Yep, that's it.

[00:08:54] Dr. Katie Deming: So what I was gonna ask next is. What is, what are [00:09:00] those levels like? What is, you know, what is it that people want to get their two levels? How do we know what the Deuterium levels in our body are? I think there's a lot of questions that come up for people, so maybe you can just start on explaining how do people figure out what is their level?

[00:09:15] Dr. Katie Deming: What is the optimum level? What are they trying to get to?

[00:09:17] Petra Davelaar: So the one way currently that we know how we can measure, what the levels are in the body is through saliva testing. So that is one way to do that. Now, I can assure you that anybody [00:09:30] who has a Chronic disease issue going on will have elevated levels of Deuterium. I've tested a lot of people that is just, there's no doubt about that.

[00:09:39] Petra Davelaar: So, let's, let's define the specific level. So for, in most water we are consuming, it's about 150 parts per million. Now you think that's so little. Are we really talking about that? Yes. 'cause it's actually five. To six times as more than we have calcium in your bloodstream. That, so it's, it's a [00:10:00] very high amount if you start looking at circulate in circulation.

[00:10:04] Petra Davelaar: So, we believe that if your level of Deuterium within the body is below 130 parts per million, you cannot have. Mitochondrial dysfunction. It's like you should be able to manage all of your processes. Now most people that we test, are the one forties, one fifties even. I've had, uh, one person come in at 1 61, which is truly above the [00:10:30] natural abundance.

[00:10:30] Petra Davelaar: So this person really has, was not able to excrete very well at all, was collecting it. And we wanna try and get that down. So there is a variety of. Ways we can do that and we can talk about it, but, it's important to think that water, most of us are drinking is one, one a hundred and fifty parts per million.

[00:10:48] Petra Davelaar: Some spring waters are 140.there are a few that are even lower. You can get any water that you are particularly attached to, tested. It's $99 and then you can find out what your water is so [00:11:00] that that's another way too. These cows are loud

[00:11:02] Dr. Katie Deming: they're really excited about Deuterium. The cows are very excited about this. I love it actually. and let me ask you this. If people wanted to test their, Deuterium, I've done that before, I think like drink light water.com or something like that. W is that, where are the sites that people can test

[00:11:22] Petra Davelaar: Yeah. And that's the best one. Drink light water.com. And they, they sell water as well as the testing and it's, it's, the [00:11:30] easiest of all places to do it. Yeah.

[00:11:32] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. And the there you can test your water and your saliva so that you get both of those. Yeah. 'cause I did both of those, a little while back. Yeah.

[00:11:40] Petra Davelaar: yeah, that would really be the way, um, to do it. We can get it into the different mechanisms. Let's, let's go slow. But the waters, generally available is one 50. We want our bodies to be below one 30. if you look at foods, and this is another important piece, so, so there are a few ways that we can lower our, [00:12:00] our levels.

[00:12:01] Petra Davelaar: One is by actually light, and that's part of the reason why you're all listening to my cows, but I'm trying to be outside as much as I can so I can be exposed to all the right, UV light and infrared light as much as possible because that will help me facilitate clear excess levels and optimize functioning.

[00:12:21] Petra Davelaar: So. that's one piece of it. The other piece, how you can live, and I wanna say add to this as well, you want to fall into cadence [00:12:30] with the seasons and make sure that you receive the light, that is appropriate for where you are now. Food is then additionally, it needs to be local and seasonal, and. Low as possible in glyphosate, which is a really big disruptor of all Deuterium metabolism.

[00:12:50] Petra Davelaar: and you want it to be lower in Deuterium. Now, that is truly a ketogenic type diet. The foods that are the lowest [00:13:00] in Deuterium are fats, all natural fats, animal fats, then the best quality of animal proteins. Lamb, fish, all of it. Beef, grass fed beef, you want the fattier cuts because they will be lower in Deuterium because of the fat content.

[00:13:20] Petra Davelaar: And then you have all of the above ground vegetables. The process of photosynthesis. Lowers the deter level in those as well. And then from [00:13:30] there on, you're gonna go up, you know, closer to, to 1 40, 1 fifties. that will be your grains, your fruits, and then the processed foods will be even higher. genetically modified foods will be higher and so forth, and you wanna stay in the lower range.

[00:13:45] Petra Davelaar: So that's really, we believe the power of the ketogenic diet is because it's low in Deuterium.

[00:13:50] Dr. Katie Deming: Beautiful. Well, and you just said a whole bunch of things that I'm like, these are things that I say every day and then I'm like, okay, here's another, it's Deuterium as well. that this plays into with [00:14:00] all of these recommendations and these, you know what I think is really profound when we simplify all of this is that this is how we were just naturally designed to eat.

[00:14:11] Dr. Katie Deming: Right? It's just like. Getting back to the natural source of foods that we were meant to eat, being in nature, being in connection with the cycles and the seasons, and then the food that is available locally. These are all things that if we were just living, you know, life. [00:14:30] Before modern times of how we've become so disconnected and then eating processed foods and in different kinds of foods, then we would naturally have that.

[00:14:38] Dr. Katie Deming: It's put us into the Deuterium is just another example of how we've become disconnected with the natural rhythms and the way that our bodies are designed to, function in, you know, living here on planet earth. So I, I love this like, it's just. It's not complicated. You know, the science can get quite detailed and I think that, you know, [00:15:00] that can get, you know, there's a lot of information there, but I think that the, the basics here are similar things that people are hearing from other reasons, and Deuterium is just another reason why this affects the, the physiology and the biology.

[00:15:14] Dr. Katie Deming: So I'm loving it.

[00:15:15] Petra Davelaar: Great. Yeah. It's, it's really an underlying subatomic, way to think about it. But it, it's, it is, comes down to just falling into cadence with the seasons, with nature, with being out in light. [00:15:30] And unfortunately the life that we're all leading is we have largely moved inside behind screens, not able to, Live the way we used to live and artificial light is another detrimental part. So yeah, that's, this is why I'm outside.

[00:15:45] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. Well, and I, I love that you're, you're showing that by example and the cows are reiterating that, that they're like, yes, we are outside, right now. So all of that is, is so perfect and in fitting with what you're teaching. so. Besides the food. So we [00:16:00] talked about these, the things that, that can impact the Deuterium levels.

[00:16:04] Dr. Katie Deming: well maybe I, I guess maybe I'll ask you, do you want it, should we talk about the mechanism? Do you wanna talk more about the mechanisms or do you wanna talk a little bit about the water? Like, 'cause we talked about some of the things that they can do, but in terms of drinking Deuterium depleted water, I think those are some of the questions that people are gonna have.

[00:16:21] Petra Davelaar: Yeah, so let's talk about, let's go there. So consuming Deuterium depleted water will, rapidly lower [00:16:30] this. That's intracellular level that I talked about, that ratio of Deuterium to hydrogen, and that is what we want so that all the subsequent processes will go easier. so I made a list, uh, for you and we'll, we'll post this afterward, but it is like the top 10 reasons to consume Deuterium.

[00:16:47] Petra Davelaar: depleted water, particularly when you are, doing a prolonged water fast because, if you continue, if you drink a lot of water during a fast, you are actually Deuterium loading because most water is [00:17:00] 150 parts per million. It's better for you to consume fatty foods than, and, and make your own water because most people don't know that.

[00:17:08] Petra Davelaar: But we produce our own metabolic water, which is Deuterium depleted water. And the quality and the quantity of that depends on the best quality fats and foods that you are consuming. And so the other part to that is every molecule of, water are you. Produce, you also release an an electron and that adds to and helps [00:17:30] maintain the net negative charge of a cell.

[00:17:32] Petra Davelaar: So that's how this all ties back together again. but anyway, so, so there's 10 really great reasons. The first one is this rapid intracellular, to Deuterium reduction within the cell. So, that will really, and I, I'm gonna speak on my notes to make sure that I'm not missing any part of these things, but, That is really going to facilitate the best, cellular metabolism and subsequent production of glucose that you are doing, gluconeogenesis, which you end up doing. So all of these [00:18:00] pieces will come together. Then you will have this enhanced mitochondrial activity and energy production. This will become easier because there's less dium in the system and you will have more functioning mitochondria.

[00:18:13] Petra Davelaar: it's been shown in the data and there's a lot of these papers that I have listed on my website under, the citations, but there is very strong anti-cancer and anti-inflammatory as well as detoxification properties. So it [00:18:30] has really shown. Potent anti-cancer activity, it will facilitate cell cycle arrest, apoptosis, and prevents, the growth of tumors as well as metastases.

[00:18:42] Petra Davelaar: then it protects against cellular and genetic damage, so, it will, decrease any DNA breaks and it will modulate genetic expression and improve this membrane stability of cells as well. it will improve the [00:19:00] endocrine, system and your ability to tolerate stress, which you kind of do during a prolonged water fast.

[00:19:07] Petra Davelaar: and so this will enhance all of your, hormones to function at a better level as well, the entire pituitary, axis.then there will be a. Particularly if you've been already, using a ketogenic type diet beforehand. This is just another level of metabolic [00:19:30] optimization that you can add in. and then there's also synergistic activation of autophagy and this.

[00:19:37] Petra Davelaar: Oxidative stress clearance. So we've seen that as well. And there's great papers on all of those details. Now, it will also reduce, the, your cell's ability to hold on to heavy metals and it will help clear those out of the cells. So that's another huge piece. You know, high levels of Deuterium will cause kind of a lack of coherence within the cell, and that allows for more [00:20:00] toxins to kind of.

[00:20:01] Petra Davelaar: accumulate and for cellular, hosting, if you will, and bacteria to use as a growth factor. So lowering all that, you will lower the temperature of all of these types of issues as well.and then it also modulates immune function. which is a key piece of course. And, it really has this rapid onset of all sorts of therapeutic benefits, that will increase lifespan.

[00:20:27] Petra Davelaar: And, and that's really the great, data [00:20:30] that's Gabor Csányi in Hungary has. Accumulated over the last 32 years, he started using it with, cancer patients in Hungary, and he has published this data on it. He found that the general, life expectancy of a cancer patient is 2.8 years, and if you cycle determin depleted water alongside as an adjunct.

[00:20:54] Petra Davelaar: Therapy to any other standard of care, [00:21:00] processes or, or therapies that you are doing. You will increase your life expectancy four to five fold. So we're these particular, individuals that he has followed, went from 2.8 to 11.2 to 15 years, and they found that women were actually in higher group because they tend to be more precise and stick with it and, and keep going.

[00:21:24] Petra Davelaar: So that was an interesting data point. But, yeah, so that data is strong. It, it's really, really [00:21:30] significant.

[00:21:31] Dr. Katie Deming: and I feel like I should like give you a, a gift or something 'cause I'm like, I've been, when I, so for my listeners, I met Petra at the Metabolic Health Day conference put on by Dr. Naisha Winters, and I heard her speaking on a panel and I. I gotta find this woman because she's gotta help me convince my people who are fasting to do Deuterium pleated water, because I've always had it as an option in my fasting [00:22:00] program.

[00:22:01] Dr. Katie Deming: But everyone is like, it's, it's so much to get prepared for fast that then they're like, oh my gosh, what's this last thing? And why would I spend like extra money for this, like special water? Probably it's my fault for not explaining it well enough, but there's so much when someone's getting ready for a fast, but. This is really, really powerful, and especially when we're using water in a prolonged water fast. To optimize the water in this [00:22:30] way by using Deuterium depleted water would be such. An add-on benefit and actually just make everything in the fast better, make it all work better. And that's what you just described.

[00:22:42] Dr. Katie Deming: This list is basically showing us how by drinking Deuterium depleted water when you're fasting, it basically makes all the processes that fasting helps work better. So I'm, I'm really excited actually, for this [00:23:00] list. Because I think that people really see it as just like, well, it's just water. You know?

[00:23:09] Dr. Katie Deming: Like how. Big can it really change? But this data that you just described of increasing life expectancy, literally just by cycling in Deuterium depleted water to increase life expectancy by three to four times is like, you know, chemotherapy drugs don't do that. Chemotherapy drugs might extend something for like a couple months or something we're talking [00:23:30] about.

[00:23:30] Dr. Katie Deming: So I think this is. And that's one of the things when, when I'm talking about fasting, you know, it's just water. And sometimes people like overlook this. So I, I just want to impress upon that there is data to show, particularly with cancer, that using Deuterium depleted water has more of an impact than a lot of the treatments that we accept that are expensive and toxic and, you know, shortening people's lives.

[00:23:56] Dr. Katie Deming: So

[00:23:57] Petra Davelaar: Yes, yes. You're so welcome. [00:24:00] No, it's, it's, it's so profound and it's so foundational. To, to start there because I don't care what supplements you all have to stop taking. And so many people take massive amounts. I mean, I literally have clients coming on 52 different ones, right? And, the cost involved and the time of opening the bottles and all of that, and just like, it's mind boggling.

[00:24:24] Petra Davelaar: and I would argue that if you Deuterium, deplete. [00:24:30] Appropriately and you use sunlight and you mind all the other aspects that we talk about. You don't need all those supplements. You really don't. And it's actually very hard and difficult for your body to break it all down. So, it's, it's facilitating and clearing.

[00:24:48] Petra Davelaar: and ultimately I'm a naturopathic doctor and one of the principles is, you know, removing obstacles to cur, to cure Deuterium is that, and it's easy to handle. [00:25:00] We can remove that. So, yeah, it's a beautiful, addition that will kick your, uh, period of prolonged fast to a whole other level, in my opinion.

[00:25:11] Dr. Katie Deming: Oh yeah, absolutely. So let me ask you this. How does someone. Know how to appropriately reduce their Deuterium level, because clearly it's not like you just go and drink all Deuterium depleted water. You're, you're clearly talking about, you know, testing and then understanding your level and then [00:25:30] introducing it in a specific way.

[00:25:31] Dr. Katie Deming: Can you talk just a little bit about that so people understand?

[00:25:34] Petra Davelaar: Absolutely. So I, if you have enough funds, definitely test. If you wanna rather spend that additional $200 on the water, I'm totally okay with that. I then you test maybe a month later and see if you sufficiently dropped that. I can 'cause. Totally support. So, all the TM depleted water that's being sold is at a very low PPM, so it's five or 10 or 18 or 25 parts per [00:26:00] million.

[00:26:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Now you have to be mindful, there's a few scammers out there that are selling Florida tap water as to TM depleted water on Amazon.so, I suggest that you stick with the main suppliers that I know for sure are actually producing the DM depleted water. Do you wanna share what those, which ones those are? So then people know

[00:26:21] Petra Davelaar: yeah. So there

[00:26:22] Dr. Katie Deming: and we can link them.

[00:26:22] Petra Davelaar: Yes. So there is drinklitewater.com and it's Lightwater Water is produced in Russia.

[00:26:29] Petra Davelaar: There is [00:26:30] Qlarivia, which comes from Romania, and you can order that either on Amazon or directly email Qlarivia office@qlarivia.com and they will ship boxes out and they have. 18 and 25 PPM light water has five and 10 ppm. They also sell it in glass water bottles, but it's more expensive 'cause it's more expensive to ship.

[00:26:52] Petra Davelaar: Right? That's what it all comes down to. So the lower the PPM.they do that to save money on shipping ultimately, but the [00:27:00] idea is that you then want to, dilute it and you wanna dilute it with a good quality spring water. And, actually, light water has very good table on their website that shows you how to drop down if you, for most individuals, I suggest you start at a hundred parts per million. Now, that's a rough mix and you can put anything in AI these days and they'll give you the exact answer. Just make sure that you add both the water that you're [00:27:30] drinking versus the one that you are buying, and then what the, parts per million is that you wanna drink. So, easy to get. And, if you are finding yourself with a particularly, Advanced type of a cancer, you may wanna drop that down to 80 parts per million. Gabor Csányi has written a few books. He likes to cycle it and starts at maybe 1 0 5, then goes to 85, and then may go down to 65. I don't like [00:28:00] dropping to low because I think then you compromise the. Glycocalyx and I had a conversation with him later, last, earlier this year, and he was not quite aware of that, that structure and that function of it.

[00:28:12] Petra Davelaar: So, I like to kind of keep it between either 1 25 or 100 or or 80, and I think that's really the best way to go. And then it's also doable. You can actually drink that water for a period of time. For maybe 200 to $250 a month. That's not bad [00:28:30] if you don't drink huge amounts of water.

[00:28:32] Petra Davelaar: And we're not supposed to anyway, because again, we produce our own water. Our, our drinking should be guided by thirst, and that depends on your level of activity, of course, and the environment that you are. but that, does that make sense? So the, you always wanna dilute, I, I don't like the idea of, oh, you just drink a half a liter in the morning and you're done for the day.

[00:28:53] Petra Davelaar: No, I think you should mix throughout the day so you maintain a steady level [00:29:00] and, you can fill your coffee machine with it and you can, you know, make your tea off of it. And if you want it, you can blend it with some sparkling water or, however you wanna do it, but.

[00:29:09] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, no, I think that that makes sense. And just so for the listeners, so hearing this for the first time, I just wanna summarize to make sure is like ideally someone would test their water for. The what? How many parts per million of Deuterium are in their water. They would also test their saliva to see kind of where their [00:29:30] baseline is, and then let's just take that they were starting at a hundred parts per million, that that was the goal.

[00:29:36] Dr. Katie Deming: Then you would plug that in to figure out, okay, based on my water has this many parts per million, and then. Whatever, you know, product, whether it's the Clavia or drink light has this amount. How do I mix it so that I get a hundred parts per million in that water? And then that would just tell you how to mix what ratios of your water and you would drink that throughout the day.

[00:29:57] Dr. Katie Deming: Is that Yeah.

[00:29:58] Petra Davelaar: that's it. Yeah. I mean, and it, it is [00:30:00] simple, right? So light water is 10 pp m and most of our drinking water we're gonna assume is one 50. So two liters of one 50 is 300 with one liter of, of, light water is, um, now we are at 2, 3 10, sorry, you divide that by three. Boom. You're at 1 0 2. That's it.

[00:30:20] Petra Davelaar: You're at a hundred. So it's two to one.

[00:30:22] Dr. Katie Deming: I love it. Okay, perfect. That makes it super

[00:30:24] Petra Davelaar: Yeah, it's, it's ballpark, but that's good enough. You know, you don't have to sit there with, you know, a [00:30:30] millimeter thingy. No.

[00:30:31] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. And so a month's, so you say that again? You said a month's worth is about $250. Is that about what, what you were just describing, if

[00:30:40] Petra Davelaar: yeah, that's

[00:30:41] Dr. Katie Deming: like that. Okay. Yeah. Well, and I.

[00:30:43] Petra Davelaar: you consume between one and a half, sorry, but between one and a half and two quarts a day, that Yeah. If you are much in excess of that, that will be higher. It depends on how much you use.

[00:30:53] Dr. Katie Deming: Okay. Yep. Got it. Wait, and how? It's so funny, I don't think in courts, I think either in liters or ounces. So how many [00:31:00] ounces are in a court?

[00:31:01] Petra Davelaar: it's a liter. liter is so close to a

[00:31:03] Dr. Katie Deming: oh, to quart. Okay. It's basically the same. So you said one and a half to two liters

[00:31:07] Petra Davelaar: a day. Yeah. That's what most of us drink. Yeah.

[00:31:10] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and also I'm thinking about my fasts, and that's basically what they're drinking.

[00:31:14] Dr. Katie Deming: that's, that's helpful just in terms of understanding, the, the amount of how much it would cost someone to do this for a month, you know? And I think that, especially when someone's fasting, to pay for that, just for that period of time and then through the refeeding is [00:31:30] really important. But. Let me ask you this.

[00:31:33] Dr. Katie Deming: So when you were talking about that data that that was, you know, from Romania, is it Romania or Hungary? That's right. Um, with the cycling, what do you mean when you say cycling on and off? Just so that the listeners understand, does that mean that they're only taking it for a couple months or how does that work?

[00:31:50] Petra Davelaar: Yeah, so that's exactly it. So a lot of data that, and, and experimenting that Gabor has done, he has cycled it. So depending on your type of [00:32:00] cancer or depending on your body's weight, that's another. Factor in there. you use, water that is for a period of time, 105. Then he goes down to 85, then he goes to 65, and then he stops and then nothing.

[00:32:16] Petra Davelaar: And then you can start back at 1 25 for a little bit. So you can play around with this depending on your.particular Googles your diagnosis, and again, body weight. So if you are above a hundred kilos, you [00:32:30] may want to start not at a hundred, but at 80 because you, you require a steeper drop for you to, you know, cover all those cells, if you will.

[00:32:40] Petra Davelaar: Right.

[00:32:40] Dr. Katie Deming: it. And then let me ask you this, 'cause I know that you drink Deuterium depleted water. How like, so for someone who's healthy, whatever, do you shoot for getting a hundred parts per million or what? Yeah.

[00:32:56] Petra Davelaar: Yeah, that's what I do. And that allows for, you know, [00:33:00] consuming things that are not depleted, right? So you have a glass of wine once in a while, you have a coffee somewhere out of the house, you have whatever that is. so, yeah, that, that's it. I mean, for me it is my insurance policy as I age, as I, yeah, as I go through life.

[00:33:16] Petra Davelaar: To me, that is a priority.

[00:33:18] Dr. Katie Deming: perfect. And. So maybe we can talk now about some of the other like light, because I know this is the thing that I, when I heard you talking about this, I was like, oh gosh, I really wanna [00:33:30] talk to her and hear. Can you tell us what is the interplay between Deuterium and light and why is light so important?

[00:33:37] Petra Davelaar: so Sunlight will help us. Increase our production of our own metabolic water. And it's a beautiful system, you know, just as the earth, which is guided by, sunlight, and time. So are our bodies. All of our processes are governed by and controlled by [00:34:00] sunlight. And sunlight also provides that photo bioelectric charge that maintains us.

[00:34:06] Petra Davelaar: And, Sunlight will help us produce energies in our mitochondria in a different ways. So we've all generally heard about a TP synthesis, but, sunlight will also split water by melanin. And we have all this melanin in our skin and in our sensory, Tissues and in our brain and around their heart, and [00:34:30] this melanin is very, very important.

[00:34:32] Petra Davelaar: not only is it a semiconductor allowing for the charge to go to the appropriate places at the right speed, but it's, it again, it can also produce and split water and, it's, it can split that in, into hydrogen gas and oxygen and then come back to mitochondria and produce more water. Sunlight will light your skin and it will actually charge the red blood cells and the hemoglobin will carry that [00:35:00] energy again inside of tissues to the mitochondria and supply electrons and protons.

[00:35:05] Petra Davelaar: This is Electro Hydro Hydronics come up the name. It's a beautiful, system and I'm sure there's many more ways that we'll we'll figure out and I learn about, but. Ultimately, for us to have sunlight, fuel our tissues and our mitochondria producing more to TM depleted water, allowing for better conduction of this electric charge that is so important to [00:35:30] us.

[00:35:30] Petra Davelaar: ultimately,

[00:35:32] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. And how much, like what, when we're talking about sunlight, how, how, how does that work? And like how does someone practically apply this, um, to their health?

[00:35:42] Petra Davelaar: so it depends on your color of your skin and the lighter you are the less you may need, but you still need a lot at least an hour a day. this is the Fitzpatrick score and you can look this up. And the darker your skin, the more sunlight you actually require. and really the key is to [00:36:00] be exposed to all the.

[00:36:01] Petra Davelaar: Different frequencies throughout the day because it constantly changes. It is always 42% infrared light, but early in the morning you have this beautiful red light and it may be up to 65%. And actually that is the, the light that, is required for you to efficiently perform beta oxidation and therefore for the ketogenic diet.

[00:36:26] Petra Davelaar: And a lot of people aren't aware of that. But if you fail at [00:36:30] your. You know, being in ketosis or not getting the results you want, perhaps you are not adding the light piece to it, which you need in order for that to work. So that's a very important piece. Yeah, light. There's just so much to say about it.

[00:36:42] Petra Davelaar: We cannot function without ultraviolet light and infrared light. We need it in a desperate way. And we've been told, of course, to all stay inside and, you know, use sunscreen and sunglasses and wear context. We don't wanna do any of that. We, we want as much [00:37:00] light as we can, and really as we age, we need even more.

[00:37:03] Petra Davelaar: So, yeah, wherever you can get it, take it. And, and in the wintertime, if you cans, you'll occasionally make a trip down to a place where, you know, there is sunlight and you can recharge. And that would be my recommendation.

[00:37:17] Dr. Katie Deming: It's interesting, I, in the past I've used D Minder, which is an app to, for specifically for vitamin D, you know, like looking at what is the amount of sunlight that I need, how would [00:37:30] you, you know, and that in that includes the Fitzpatrick scale and tells you based on your latitude and your skin type and location and all of that, how much time to spend out in the sun.

[00:37:39] Dr. Katie Deming: Is there something like, I mean that's specifically for vitamin D. It's not talking about the whole spectrum and all of that, but is, is that good enough for, for like the midday sun for that piece and then just recommending for people to try and get morning, you know, that morning red light, the evening red light, getting kind of the full spectrum, but then getting some time in [00:38:00] the midday sun?

[00:38:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Is that your recommendations or, I just wonder if you have something more specific for people.

[00:38:05] Petra Davelaar: Yeah, I mean, I think that's it. As much as you can and you want it all, all set of frequencies. Obviously if you are blue light toxic, you are not gonna sit in the sun at 12 noon for an hour and a half. That would be a problem. So you have to really sensitize your body to the light and activate that. So UVA light does that in UVB.

[00:38:27] Petra Davelaar: will help you increase your [00:38:30] melanin in your skin, that's this beautiful tan, and that then will facilitate and protect you from burning from then on. but you just want all the frequencies as much as possible, basically. That's

[00:38:40] Dr. Katie Deming: perfect. So as much time as you can spend in the sun without burning

[00:38:43] Petra Davelaar: Yeah,

[00:38:44] Dr. Katie Deming: And the, you know, this, the sunglasses, I haven't talked about this on the podcast. Can you explain to people why sunglasses are problematic?

[00:38:53] Petra Davelaar: Yeah, so they really just block the exact signal that you're supposed to receive. And [00:39:00] so when I'm out here in the mornings and I'm getting the sunlight, I, I take my glasses off because I want that sunlight going through the pupil, traveling over to DHA to. Activate all the particular circadian pathways.

[00:39:11] Petra Davelaar: And so, it's key. And they even know from the, studies and cultures where the only thing they changed was giving a group of people in Africa, sunglasses and all of them. Got sick and it, it's stunning, really, truly with chronic issues and, and we are [00:39:30] meant to have this light coming in. We're not supposed to.

[00:39:32] Petra Davelaar: And it's, yeah, that's, it's just, it's one of those dermatologists and ophthalmologists and pediatricians, they are the most damaged causing doctors of all. But, we want sunlight and no glasses. And I know that you've been told to wear them. Go slow. Do every day a little bit more without them, you know, if you really need some for oncoming traffic, different story, but, you know, you should try and be without it.

[00:39:57] Petra Davelaar: And, and rea [00:40:00] acclimate your ability to tolerate the light.

[00:40:02] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and that's, I've gotten away from using sunglasses except for in the car. If I've got glare or something and I feel like my eyes are really sensitive, then I'll use it. But it took me some time. So that was one of the things too, is I love that you brought that up, is like. Don't just like throw your sunglasses away and then go spend time in the sun.

[00:40:21] Dr. Katie Deming: You're gonna need time to acclimate this and give your body a chance, to adjust, um, to this. But ultimately, you [00:40:30] know, we've seen skin cancer rise as we've had the introduction of sunscreen and sunglasses and all these things, and it's because we're blocking the signals. Our body is designed to recognize that we're out in the sun.

[00:40:43] Dr. Katie Deming: That is part of our physiology, so thank

[00:40:46] Petra Davelaar: We have, yeah, we have these options and that's what they're called. These are antennas, if you will. We have them all over, not just in our eyes. We have 'em in our skin. We have them all over our body, in our brain, in our intestines. And [00:41:00] the 24 7 sensing the light environment, you. Are in and you want to have the right environment and blue light throws all of that off.

[00:41:09] Petra Davelaar: Non-native EMFs throws all of that off. So you want to compensate. And we have to do that at a much higher level because we living in a saturated wifi environment and some areas like Los Angeles are like microwaves. You are on a space station basically with all of this radiation floating around you.

[00:41:28] Petra Davelaar: And I tested this [00:41:30] personally. I

[00:41:30] Dr. Katie Deming: Which is why now you're on a ranch, you're in Arkansas, living in the beautiful nature. I love it. I love it. Well, it's been such a privilege to have you on the show. If people would like to find you, where can they find you?

[00:41:44] Petra Davelaar: drpetrad.com. That's it. I had just have a website.

[00:41:48] Dr. Katie Deming: I love it. Super simple. Well, thank you so much for coming on and cheering here, and I'll have to pay you later for helping me convince my clients to know that deter and depleted water would be so beneficial. So thank [00:42:00] you so much. It's been really privilege to talk to you.

[00:42:02] Petra Davelaar: You can pay me in success. I want success stories. That's what I want.

[00:42:06] Dr. Katie Deming: That sounds amazing. Thank you so much.​[00:42:30]