[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Have you ever heard the story of someone who has cured their cancer or other life threatening illness without conventional treatment and wondered, what's happening there? How does that happen? Well, on today's episode, I'm joined by Carla Manjaro from the Radical Remission Project. And the Radical Remission Project is the brainchild of Dr.[00:00:23] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Kelly Turner, who is the author of Radical Remission and Radical Hope. what we're going to do [00:00:30] is we're going to dive into the 10 healing factors that are done by people who cure their illness. and stay around until the very end, because I will share my perspective on how the 10 healing factors fit into the other things that I have been teaching you about healing.

[00:00:50] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And this fits right in with what everything else that I'm learning, and also teaching to you here.

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[00:00:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You're [00:01:00] listening to the Born to Heal podcast, and I'm your host, Dr. Katie Deming. After two decades of practicing as an oncologist and caring for thousands of patients, I've seen firsthand how our healthcare system places obstacles in your path to true healing. My guests and I will bridge the worlds of Western medicine and alternative healing to help you achieve optimal health.

[00:01:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Expect to uncover new insights, share a few laughs, and maybe even shed some tears. But most of all, we'll learn how to [00:01:30] heal from within, together. So let's dive into today's episode.

[00:01:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Today, I am thrilled to be joined by Carla Manns Giroux from the Radical Remission Project. Welcome, Carla. Thank you for being here.

[00:01:43] Karla Mans Giroux: Thank you, Dr. Katie. It's a pleasure to be here with you.

[00:01:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I wanted to start just by explaining to people, if you could tell us a little bit about the Radical Remission Project and what it's about and what it does.

[00:01:56] Karla Mans Giroux: So the Radical Remission Project is really [00:02:00] based off of the book that Dr. Kelly Turner wrote after doing research. So Dr. Turner did research on what the medical community typically calls a spontaneous remission. And she did this research while she was at the University of California, Berkeley.

[00:02:18] Karla Mans Giroux: And she got a grant and 10 different countries, 10 months, And she was talking to people who had this spontaneous remission and the [00:02:30] healers and practitioners that helped them. And what she found was that every single one of these 1500 plus survivors that she's come to have researched, all utilized 10 lifestyle changes, what she calls the healing factors.

[00:02:46] Karla Mans Giroux: And they found themselves in remission. And she lovingly refers to it as a radical remission because there wasn't anything spontaneous about these remissions. People worked hard. They did these major lifestyle changes to get where [00:03:00] they wanted to be.

[00:03:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love that you point that out because there is really nothing spontaneous about these events. It's, it's, people are working and doing things. And I think this is the whole point is that it's not just, it just happens. There are things that you can do to get a radical remission yourself.

[00:03:18] Karla Mans Giroux: Absolutely. There might be an occasional spontaneous remission, like truly an act of God or something that, you know, we hear about, but for the most part, people are doing everything they can to overcome their diagnosis. And the [00:03:30] 10 healing factors of radical remission, um, just to mention, there was a second follow up book, Radical Hope.

[00:03:36] Karla Mans Giroux: In the first book Dr. Turner wrote that was published in 2015, this, 2014, this is our 10th anniversary of that New York Times bestselling book coming out, there were nine factors originally, but Dr. Turner went back and looked at the research because independent research shows that exercise is so important to not only preventing, but getting through treatment and overcoming a diagnosis that she [00:04:00] wondered why it didn't come up.

[00:04:01] Karla Mans Giroux: Most of the radical remission survivors she spoke to initially or interviewed or looked at surveys from were sent home on hospice care. They couldn't exercise in the true sense of the word. It wasn't a, thing that they could really get right back to doing, but they all started moving their bodies as much as they could when they could.

[00:04:20] Karla Mans Giroux: So exercise was added with the follow up book, Radical Hope, that she wrote in 2020.

[00:04:27] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Great. Well, do you mind, can you, would you go over the [00:04:30] 10 factors, 10

[00:04:31] Karla Mans Giroux: love going over the 10 factors. So there's three physical factors, exercise, I mentioned, changing your diet and taking herbs and supplements. So those are the only physical and the other seven are emotional, mental, and spiritual. But I'll stop and say, when it comes to herbs and supplements, we strongly recommend that you find a practitioner that can help you with that one.

[00:04:52] Karla Mans Giroux: That is the one factor that we really believe can't be done on your own. You should have some expertise. Please. [00:05:00] The other seven factors, mental, emotional, spiritual, uh, empowerment. So taking control of your health, being the CEO of your health, following your intuition, really listening to that inner voice, to what you should do, right?

[00:05:16] Karla Mans Giroux: And then there's releasing negative emotions. So it's not only releasing suppressed emotions, but negative emotions, stress, fear, doing forgiveness work, etc. Thank you. And another one is increasing your positive [00:05:30] emotions. We know when you increase your positive emotions, you're releasing the good hormones, the healthy hormones that build your immune system.

[00:05:38] Karla Mans Giroux: Um, and so that's a really important one. The others are,uh, social support. It's really important to have social support. And, and really people need to learn on this one that it, it's okay. And even necessary to ask for. and receive love and support. And then there's deepening your spirituality and having strong reasons for living. [00:06:00] So all of those factors came up in every single one of the interviews with these 1500 plus people all total. There were 75 different healing factors that came out of the research, but these 10 came up every time and their lifestyle changes and independent research. supports how these particular lifestyle changes build the immune system up and support the immune system so that the body can get back to actually doing the work it's meant to do of [00:06:30] healing itself.

[00:06:30] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Absolutely. Well, and one thing that when you say spirituality, so deepening spirituality, can you clarify what that was meant in this context? Because I think that that can mean different things for different people. And I'd love to hear what Dr. Turner's take is on that. I

[00:06:51] Karla Mans Giroux: Yeah. It absolutely should mean different things for different people. There are as many different spirituality practices as there are people [00:07:00] practicing them. And what Dr. Turner found was that the survivors were actually connecting to something bigger than themselves. It was finding whether it was through religion, through meditation, through some other spiritual practice, through nature, through creativity, whatever it was, it was something that helped them connect to a higher power, something bigger than ourselves.

[00:07:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: love that. Yeah. And I think that that, cause one thing I have people [00:07:30] ask are like, well, what do I even know about spirituality? And I think that it's different for everyone and just finding that connection, connecting with whatever, serves you and gives you this sense of a deeper meaning of, you know, why you're here and what this life is about.

[00:07:47] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So

[00:07:48] Karla Mans Giroux: Exactly.

[00:07:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love that. And I wanted to,Ask about the diet because I think this is one thing that I found really fascinating because and I think that it's borne out in [00:08:00] other data. So there are lots of studies that are conflict, you know, I would say in quotes conflicting about cancer that, you know, oh, you should absolutely not eat animal meat and go vegan.

[00:08:13] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then there's people are like, Keto, which is basically all animal products. And so can you explain what was found in the data so that we can highlight that this is not one specific diet. It's really just about changing your diet.

[00:08:27] Karla Mans Giroux: Right. So what, what Dr. Turner's [00:08:30] research found was that there was not one specific diet. Unfortunately, we can't say here's the magic diet that everybody should be on to, overcome their diagnosis or prevent one. There were survivors using the keto diet, or survivors using a vegan diet, or a plant based diet, or a macrobiotic diet.

[00:08:46] Karla Mans Giroux: They were on all sorts of different types of diets. What. What was found was that they all either greatly reduced or eliminated red meat, dairy, [00:09:00] and wheat and refined grains. And that's really more about the processed foods. So, the food choices are really important in that it's really more of a plant based diet that's beneficial. And in some cases, we do know from the research that a keto diet might be appropriate for a certain type of cancer. But it's so bio individual. Every person needs to figure out what's right for them.

[00:09:27] Karla Mans Giroux: And sometimes it's about symptom [00:09:30] reduction, or just, I feel better, I feel more energetic, I feel really good on this diet, or I don't, so I'm going to change. But the, the the research and you're right, there is that conflicting information and that makes it really hard for the cancer patients to figure out what do I do and people really want to focus on that.

[00:09:50] Karla Mans Giroux: And I remind everyone when I, when I speak to people that Diet is one of 10 of the healing factors. So don't put all your eggs in that [00:10:00] basket, so to speak, figure out, you know, what works best for you, whether you want to do a nutrition genome test or you want to do some other kind of, um, food sensitivity test or something that helps give you some idea of what's right for you, but definitely cutting out the processed foods, the red meat, the sweets, and the dairy.

[00:10:22] Karla Mans Giroux: Some dairy is fine. Just, if you're going to do some dairy and some meat, make sure it's high quality.

[00:10:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Yeah. Well, and I think [00:10:30] that one of the things that is really important is that when people are changing their diet for healing. So, and this applies to cancer or other conditions, because in her studies, it was not just people with cancer. Isn't that correct? Yeah.

[00:10:43] Karla Mans Giroux: Correct. Yeah.

[00:10:44] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But when people start making changes for health purposes, they start to eliminate the things that are just not good for us.

[00:10:52] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So the processed food is like the biggest one, like right out of the bat, removing the processed foods and then lowering carbohydrates. [00:11:00] So people generally start to eat more plant based foods, getting more vegetables and, and fruits into their bodies. Which is basically more nutrient rich food into our system and reducing the carbohydrates and sugars.

[00:11:14] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so, you know, you can see things that are being done by people when they're making these changes that even though what they're following may be very different, there are general principles that are being applied here that make a difference. And [00:11:30] I think, you know, one of the guests that I had on the podcast is, Dr.

[00:11:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Seyfried, who wrote Cancer as a Metabolic Condition. And really he explained in that interview that someone could be doing like a vegetarian or a plant based diet and actually lowering their, their Glycemic index, you know, the G. K. I index basically to get their bodies into a metabolic state that is [00:12:00] more efficient rather than having all the carbohydrates and but you have to be careful.

[00:12:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Right? And it's not. That you just have to do keto to induce these changes. You could do it with a vegetarian diet, but it's really keeping track of making sure you're eliminating the processed foods, eliminating the sugars, reducing the carbohydrates, um, the high glycemic index ones. So anyway, I think one of the things that stood out when I read the book for the first time that her first book was really this, like not [00:12:30] one diet, you know, and I, and I just see a lot of it where people are like, you have to.

[00:12:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Go vegan if you have cancer. And I just don't think that that's correct. And actually, I see a lot of people who go vegan and end up eating a lot of processed foods and a lot of carbohydrates and things that are actually not helpful for them.

[00:12:47] Karla Mans Giroux: Yeah,

[00:12:48] Karla Mans Giroux: I do like to tell people that just, um, you know, going vegan doesn't mean that's the right way to go, because double stuffed Oreos are vegan, and that's not a good thing to be eating.

[00:12:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Exactly. It's really about eating whole [00:13:00] foods and healthy foods. so I love that. And can you tell me a little bit about, you know, Kelly did this research and then now there's the radical hope project or radical remission project. Can you tell me what, what are, what is happening within that? And, how are you?

[00:13:19] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, how is this information being used to help people?

[00:13:22] Karla Mans Giroux: Yeah. Yeah, out of that New York Times best selling book back in 2014, Workshops started people were asking [00:13:30] Kelly to do keynote speaking engagements, and then they wanted more and they wanted to learn this. And so she developed a workshop and then it became too much for her to do alone. So she started training.

[00:13:40] Karla Mans Giroux: Coaches and, other practitioners that might want to add this to their toolbox, so to speak. we also have a podcast stories that heal podcasts to deliver these inspiring survivor stories to people with an occasional practitioner who's helped them. And the project is really all about [00:14:00] continuing to share this information.

[00:14:02] Karla Mans Giroux: We've got 125 coaches around the world that are certified to teach the workshop and coach people one on one on how to help folks through their diagnosis, whether it's cancer or some other diagnosis. In Radical Hope, she introduced folks with MS and ALS and, and autoimmune disorders, different things like that, that have found.

[00:14:26] Karla Mans Giroux: those 10 healing factors to be beneficial to their [00:14:30] healing. So the project is continues to share this information. Oh, and Dr. Turner also produced a docu series. So it's a 10 episode docu series, approximately an hour on each episode, teaching people more about it, interviewing survivors that are inspiring and showing how they applied the These factors in their lives.

[00:14:53] Karla Mans Giroux: So there's lots of ways to learn more about these healing lifestyle changes.

[00:14:58] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love that. Yeah. And I, I've seen the [00:15:00] documentary and it's, it's great. And I like the episodes, you know, that are short and like really able to digest one topic at a time, which is nice for people to be able to assimilate. Cause I think, you know, it's overwhelming when you're like, oh, wow, these items touch all aspects of my life.

[00:15:18] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But. It really requires change on so many different levels. And like you said, I, I love that you said like diet is not the only thing people really focus on the, like, okay, what are the physical things that I can do and really [00:15:30] hone in on that? But people see results when they're able to create this balanced change in all the areas of their life.

[00:15:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD:

[00:15:38] Karla Mans Giroux: Yeah,

[00:15:39] Karla Mans Giroux: it's a body, mind, and spirit sort of endeavor. You can't just focus on the body. The mind and the spirit have to get involved too, so the mental health, the spiritual health, that matters. And diet is one of those things that's easier to grab onto and go, okay, I've got some control. I know how to do this.

[00:15:55] Karla Mans Giroux: I can do this. Although, it can be very hard in the beginning, right, when you're trying to make [00:16:00] major changes, but yeah, remembering that there's other things. The, the overwhelm is so common among those of us that get a diagnosis, but what I'd like people to hear is that baby steps matter. Taking small steps over time will make a big difference.

[00:16:19] Karla Mans Giroux: None of the radical remission survivors interviewed did all of this all at once.

[00:16:24] Dr. Katie Deming MD: absolutely. Well, and that's one thing that I. talk to my clients about is like it's [00:16:30] progress over perfection. If you're starting to make little changes, that little change today, if you then add on the next change, you know, in another week, you were basically building habits that are creating a new way of living because this is really a different way of living your life, right?

[00:16:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So you're not just doing something for three months that is going to cure you. We're making, Changes over time that are basically creating a new you, which ultimately creates [00:17:00] health in the body.

[00:17:01] Karla Mans Giroux: Exactly. I love that progress over perfection and I firmly believe it is about creating a new you. You, you do have to change and, and learn to be more authentically who you were meant to be in order to, to find the healing as Well, all of the folks that were in the research were late stage cancer patients with the initial book and, they were often.

[00:17:25] Karla Mans Giroux: conventional medicine had given up on them and sent them home on hospice. There was nothing left for them, but [00:17:30] they still overcame, but they made these as permanent lifestyle changes. So the 20, 30 years later, these people are still alive and well.

[00:17:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I love it. Well, and would you mind sharing your story? Because I know that you also, were diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. And that was back when, when was that diagnosis

[00:17:51] Karla Mans Giroux: 2014,

[00:17:52] Karla Mans Giroux: when I got my metastatic diagnosis, which was 11 years after my initial breast cancer diagnosis. And, [00:18:00] Yes, I am actually a radical remission survivor now, so mine is a hormone receptor positive, and um, God bless the first oncologist I talked to who said, this is a chronic disease we can manage. I said, great, we are going to manage the hell out of this.

[00:18:15] Karla Mans Giroux: And that's what I've been endeavoring to do ever since. So I have Mets to bone, all through hips, spine, pelvis, ribs, just, just about everywhere in my torso. And I immediately [00:18:30] started making lifestyle changes and taking the hormone blocking drugs and the lifestyle changes I think make a huge difference for me because I am now, I 10 years out from that, almost 10, it's more like 9, because it was late 2014.

[00:18:47] Karla Mans Giroux: But I'm nearly 10 years from that diagnosis and I have 8 years with no evidence of disease.

[00:18:53] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Amazing.

[00:18:54] Karla Mans Giroux: So I, I feel like I arrested cancer right away, got it under control, [00:19:00] started to see symptoms decreasing, things improving, feeling better for sure. By my first follow up scan, 3 months. Things were stable and within a year and a half, everything was stable, but a little liver tumor popped up.

[00:19:16] Karla Mans Giroux: And that liver tumor, when I switched my care to an integrative oncologist was completely resolved within six months. And again, no evidence of disease ever since. So I feel really lucky, really blessed to have [00:19:30] these healing factors to implement into my life because I think it's a big part of my healing.

[00:19:35] Karla Mans Giroux: Thank you And I can honestly say that the drugs that I do take do not have side effects, if any, they're very minimal. They might just be menopausal sort of things, right? They're so minimal that I don't even really notice them. So I've just been just so blessed and I'm so passionate about sharing these 10 healing factors because of my success, [00:20:00] not only overcoming this long, but Not having the side effects.

[00:20:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: so if you were to You know, counsel someone who is just listening to this, right? So they're not working with someone yet and they're just hearing this. Where do they start? Do you know, like, where does someone get started in doing these healing factors? Is there a place that you guys start?

[00:20:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Is it just. Depending on the person and what they need.

[00:20:25] Karla Mans Giroux: Well, it does kind of depend on the person what they need, but certainly a good place to start [00:20:30] is either with reading the book, listening to the book, they're both on audio, Dr. Turner reads them to you, or watching the docuseries. If you're a visual learner and you want to do it that way, that's a great starting place to start to look at, you know, your life and what changes do you need to make.

[00:20:47] Karla Mans Giroux: We also have the workshop. So on radicalremission. com, there's an events page. You can go find a workshop, or you can go find a coach to work with one on one. So some people like to take the workshop first, learn more [00:21:00] about the factors, set up their game plan, basically, you know, setting up some goals and action steps to take.

[00:21:06] Karla Mans Giroux: And it's a small group setting typically, so they get to know other people and, and, you know, it's just nice to have the community and the connection. And others like to really dig in with the coach and, and that's kind of what I did. I initially like went all in with the coach, like I gotta, I gotta manage the hell out of this diagnosis.

[00:21:22] Karla Mans Giroux: So help me. And uh, so it does depend on the person and what feels right for them.

[00:21:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Great. Well, I [00:21:30] appreciate you having having you here with us today and sharing all of this. So if you've already mentioned the books and then the website, and basically the docu series, and I really recommend if people, especially. The docuseries is like a really easy way to consume the information in, in pieces as you need it.

[00:21:51] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So from my perspective, I think that's a great recommendation as a first step for people to look at it, and also read the books. So I want to thank you for being here with us [00:22:00] today.

[00:22:00] Karla Mans Giroux: Well, thank you for having me here. I really appreciate it. We'd love sharing the radical remission factors and the projects, you know, mission and goals. So thanks.

[00:22:08] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Awesome.

[00:22:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Okay, so after hearing all of that from Carla, I want to do a couple of things. Number one, I want to summarize what she said. So you can walk away remembering those 10 factors or writing them down so that you have them. But then I also want to take what she taught us [00:22:30] today. And fold it into the other things that you have been learning from me on this podcast and the other guests that we've heard from.

[00:22:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So to start the 10 factors that are considered the 10 healing factors, from Kelly Turner's work, of radical remissions are number one is exercise. And this is the newest one that they added. The second is radically changing your diet. Third is taking control of your health. Fourth is following your [00:23:00] intuition.

[00:23:01] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Fifth is using herbs and supplements. Six is releasing repressed emotions. Seven is increasing positive emotions. Eight is embracing social support. Nine is deepening your spiritual connection. And 10 is having strong reasons for living and, these factors tie into the other pieces that I've already been talking to you about.

[00:23:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And actually, I was hoping that [00:23:30] I would get the chance to speak with Dr Turner herself. To ask if she knows about Gerald Pollack's work and structured water and has ever thought about how these things are tied to that. But since I wasn't able to talk to Dr Turner herself, it was great actually having Carla here to share and explain.

[00:23:50] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, what the radical remission project is all about, and what are these 10 factors and how people can really empower themselves to,create [00:24:00] healing internally. But what I want to do is I want to take the things that we've heard from our prior episodes with Dr Seyfried and also Dr Pollack and tie them into this.

[00:24:12] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So we can see how these factors fit into. These principles that we're learning about healing the body, right? So these 10 factors are not just random, you know, when Kelly was doing her research, she was just, you know, compiling these stories and then looking for factors that [00:24:30] were common between these people.

[00:24:32] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so it's not causation saying that if you do this 1 piece, then you're going to cure your cancer. Or even if you do all 10 of these pieces that it is, you know, causation that these things cause a cure, but they're correlated. And so if we look at the radically changing your diet. This one fits both with what we've heard from Dr.

[00:24:54] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Seyfried and from Dr. Pollack in that these people are eliminating processed [00:25:00] foods. They're eliminating sugar. They're eating more plants and vegetables. And basically all of those things reduce the glycemic index, right? So we're not eating as many carbs and causing as much inflammation and overburdening the mitochondria.

[00:25:17] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Right. That are they do the metabolism. So basically, we're helping give better fuel to the body. And then if the mitochondria are working better, and we're getting better fuel and not [00:25:30] doing,you know, just using carbohydrates and causing inflammation. inflammation, basically that helps us structure the water in our cells better.

[00:25:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so this change in the diet, even though they didn't all do the same diet, it plays into this idea that cancer is a metabolic condition. And if you can basically eliminate the processed foods, eliminate the,sugar and really reduce your glycemic index, then basically you can decrease inflammation that can help with the healing [00:26:00] in the body and improving the amount of easy water or structured water that you have in your cells.

[00:26:05] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So that's the one with the, diet. And then with exercise. So this is something that Dr. Seyfried talked about, with, Cancer is a metabolic condition that if we're moving our bodies, our bodies are designed to move and it helps with our mitochondrial health. And so the exercise piece is also playing into this, like the mitochondrial health and also the structure of the water in the cells.

[00:26:29] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And then [00:26:30] herbs and supplements, we heard from Dr, Pollock about different herbs and how different herbs can help increase the easy water that you hold in your body. And the more easy water that we hold, the, the healthy, the healthier our bodies are, right? And because we're 99. 9 percent water by molecules, right?

[00:26:51] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So 99. 9 percent of the molecules in our body are water. It has a huge influence over the overall health of our [00:27:00] being. I want to think of ourselves as like bodies of water, basically. And so basically those herbs and supplements can help support our body of water. And then she talked about releasing suppressed emotions.

[00:27:13] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So trapped emotions, suppressed emotions, trauma that's held in our body affects the water because water has memory and water is affected by the vibration of the emotions.

[00:27:24] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So releasing that past trauma. helps improve and clear the water [00:27:30] to help it, you know, basically not be affected by this negative frequency of those negative emotions. And then the other one that she has on her list of cultivating positive emotions also again, affects the water, because if we're holding the frequency of high emotions in ourselves, this allows the water in our straw cells to structure in a way that is Coherent and and beneficial to our body rather than disorganized [00:28:00] and, incoherent and then the embracing social support.

[00:28:04] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So this is 1 thing that Gerald Pollack talked about is that infrared is, how we. Increase easy water in ourselves and by having social support and connection with other human beings, it basically is increasing that infrared exposure and that social connection that ultimately again supports the water in ourselves.

[00:28:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I just wanted to bring [00:28:30] that in that these, and I could go through all of these factors and actually show how they tie into the science of the water that I'm learning about. And so I wanted to make sure that I've made that connection for you so that you can see how this fits together. These are not nine random things.

[00:28:47] Dr. Katie Deming MD: These are nine things that are going to help you become more More coherent and basically improve the way that you're carrying the water in your [00:29:00] cells, which ultimately impacts your overall health. So I really enjoyed this episode in hearing from Carla, and I hope that it was beneficial for you. I cannot wait to see you on the next episode.

[00:29:11] Dr. Katie Deming MD: All right. Take care.

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