Dr. Katie Deming [00:00:00]:
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Born to Heal. I am excited to be joined today by Eileen McKusick. Eileen, welcome. Thanks, doctor Katie. Great to be here with you. Yeah. Please call me Katie. I think I'm fascinated by biofuel tuning, and I've listened to multiple episode or interviews with you.Dr. Katie Deming [00:00:16]:
But I think for my audience, if you could just give kind of a brief, you know, story of how you came upon this work. You're the inventor, and you know, story of how you came upon this work. You're the inventor and founder of biofuel tuning, but it it'd be helpful for people to know how how did you land on this work? And then we can talk about bifacial tuning and all of things.

Eileen McKusick [00:00:38]:
Sure. I became interested in health and human potential, science and spirituality, just personal growth stuff when I was 18. And I started reading books. And for people in your audience who are of a researching kind of nature, you know that one book tends to lead to another, you sort of follow a trail of crumbs. And my trail of crumbs brought me to vibrational medicine back in 1990 6. And I had just been reading about how even though life appears solid and we appear solid, and that that's really an artifact of perception, and that ultimately everything is fields of vibration, information, and energy. And I remember thinking, well, if we're just fundamentally vibration, then treating vibration with vibration seems very elegant. It seems very logical.

Eileen McKusick [00:01:37]:
And vibrational medicine is making use of color, sound, music, that sort of thing. And I went out and found every book I could on that topic, which in the mid nineties, there weren't a lot to be found then. They really devoured them, and it really resonated with me. And then I got a catalog in the mail that had a set of tuning forks for healing in it in 1996. And I just ordered them on impulse. And at the time, I was doing massage therapy part time, and had the the clients that I was comfortable with, I asked them if they would be guinea pigs for me and let me play with my new tuning forks. And, right off the bat, they really surprised me. Like, I I thought that if I had a tuning fork, it was a note of c, that it was just going to create the note of c, it's just gonna be an input.

Eileen McKusick [00:02:31]:
But what I discovered was that the tuning forks actually seemed to have a conversation with what was going on in the body. I remember in one of my very early clients that he had pain in one of his shoulders. And when I held the tuning fork over the shoulder that hurt, the tone went sharp. And when I held it over the shoulder that didn't hurt, it just sounded like a c. And so I went back and I just kept holding the tuning fork over where it sounded not right, and I just kept striking it and holding there. And after a little while, it sounded like the other shoulder. And he got up off the table, and he rotated his arm, and he was like, oh my god. All the pain is gone.

Eileen McKusick [00:03:14]:
And we were both stunned because neither one of us had any expectation of it at all. You know? It it was very surprising. And people would come back, they would report that they slept better or they didn't fight with their spouse or that they had less anxiety, and then they'd ask me to do do that sound thing again. And in pretty short order, my massage therapy practice morphed into a a Tunif Arc practice. And but this was in Connecticut in the nineties. And, you know, when I told people that I was doing sound healing with tuning forks, you can imagine the kind of response that I got. I was very skeptical. I was very dismissive.

Eileen McKusick [00:03:54]:
And I just didn't wanna be that person that was being perceived as airy fairy or woo woo or pseudoscientific. It certainly, at that time, I never dreamed that it would become my full time vocation. So I just did it as a hobby. And I did it as a hobby for 10 years, where I, you know, I'd see 1 or 2 people a week and didn't think anything was gonna happen. And at that time, I was just holding the tuning forks sort of over the body. I would find different areas that sounded funky and treat them and but in 2006, I started discovering completely by accident that there was stuff going on in the atmosphere around the body. And when I started exploring the atmosphere around the body and making adjustments out there, very dramatic things started to happen. And it started to dawn on me that this is the kind of help people are looking for.

Eileen McKusick [00:04:53]:
When you're stuck in something and you go to some kind of provider, you wanna get unstuck. You you wanna get the relief that you're looking for. And that started happening more and more. And it dawned on me that I sort of almost had a moral obligation to bring it out into the world. But there was still that image issue, and I realized, well, maybe I better go to school and get some degrees, and that will help. So I went to college as an adult, and I completed my undergraduate and graduate degrees in 5 years, and I wrote a master's thesis called exploring the effects of audible sound on the human body and its biofield. And that gave me the opportunity to really do a deep dive into the science, to try to understand the phenomenon that I was encountering, how it worked, why it worked, and really ground it in science that we could understand. Part of that was discovering that our body has an electrical system that we don't learn about.

Eileen McKusick [00:05:53]:
And, certainly, I was not the first person to discover this, in the early 100. You could buy devices for your electrical health from the Sears and Roebuck catalog. But there was definitely an understanding of the electric nature of the body many, many years ago. But with the rise of the pharmaceutical industry, we've all been conditioned to look at our bodies and our ailments chemically and mechanically, and look for chemical and mechanical solutions. Even functional medicine and naturopathy is largely about the supplements that you take and this chemical model. There is an author by the name of Robert O. Becker who wrote a fairly well known book called The Body Electric and also a book called Cross Currents, and and that was in the early eighties. And he discusses the body's electrical system and the approach of electric medicine in that.

Eileen McKusick [00:06:49]:
So, we know that our body has electric current in it. In fact, there's been quite a lot coming out in the in the last year even about the electricity in the body. But what's less discussed is the fact that anything that has electric current running through it has a magnetic field around it. And this is our aura. Our energy field is is the magnetic field of the electric current running through our bodies. Maybe lesser known is that magnetic fields actually guide and inform electric currents. And so what I was doing by moving tuning forks around in the field was actually adjusting the way that electricity is running through the body. So if somebody has inflammation, that's a traffic jam of electric current.

Eileen McKusick [00:07:37]:
And anytime you have an excess in one place, you end up with a deficiency in another, and we start to go out of balance. And sound has the ability to interact directly with this electrical system, with the magnetic field. And when we make adjustments there, tonally, positionally, the way energy is flowing through us, Many of us the the pathways of our habits got laid down before the age of 3 precognitively, and energy will move along established pathways. So one of the things that I call myself is that I'm a bioelectrician, and I help to rewire the way that electricity is running through the body rhythmically because everything is rhythmic. Right? Your heart is a rhythm, your breath is a rhythm, your digestive is a rhythm. Every single organ has a rhythm, and stressors can knock us off rhythm. What I essentially discovered is that we are self tuning instruments that were designed to be in harmony and that the introduction of something as simple as a tone generator, an acoustic tone generator, provides the body with a mirror because it will initially resonate with whatever is going on, like that fellow's shoulder. But then because it's producing a strong coherent signal, it will entrain the body, and this is basic physics, into a more coherent expression.

Eileen McKusick [00:09:09]:
Signal. And so that is essentially the practice of biofilte tuning is finding the places that in your signal that are off rhythm, that are out of tune, that are maybe flowing in a place that they shouldn't be, and just helping the body to get itself back into order. And when the

Dr. Katie Deming [00:09:24]:
body is in order and has enough energy flowing through it, it will fix itself. So that is really helpful just in terms of giving a background and helping people understand what it is when you mean what you mean when you say biofield tuning. One of the questions that I have is you described this gentleman with shoulder pain and it makes sense with, like, an injury. But I assume this work does not just work on the physical. There's more, you know, what are the other things that you can see that are held in the field and and what are the implications of that?

Eileen McKusick [00:10:02]:
Well, the biofield, which I would say is our body's electrical system in its entirety, the electric current running through us, the magnetic field around us, It's where our thoughts happen, our thoughts are electric, where are the waves of emotion are magnetic. So everything points to it being what we call mind. Our our conscious mind, our subconscious mind, it's where our memories are stored. Even though the conventional view says that our memories are stored in our brain, my explorations in the field led me to discover that memories can be accessed through the field. And when I learned that Alzheimer's patients, there are microtubules that are on cells that are seen as antennas related to memory, and in Alzheimer's patients that these structures are failing. So if that is an antenna within the body, which is retrieving information in the field, it makes sense if the apparatus for retrieval is failing that those memories might be there, but they're unable to access them vibrationally. So everything is really accessible through the field. So we treat mental issues, like mental perseveration.

Eileen McKusick [00:11:18]:
We can find where that's happening. It's not always around the head. For example, I found that many people, most people that I treat that come in with issues with their right hip, they might have sciatica, they might have pain, they might have s stuff going on, have a tendency towards what I call busy mind, busy body, and the tendency to always be thinking about their to do list, what you know, all the things that they need to do, projecting themselves into the future, worrying about the future, and that that impacts the right hip. And in my mapping of the biofield, I discovered that there are kind of different states of mind zones. I noticed that everybody who came in that had left shoulder pain was had sadness, had grief, had a heaviness, and and something like psychosomatic pain. For example, I treated a woman, a little health fair once, who complained that she had just terrible pain in her left shoulder, and she'd had all kinds of x rays and there was nothing wrong with her. The doctors are like, structurally, there's nothing wrong. So I started investigating, and I discovered that there was a heavy kind of pocket of atonal energy just off of her left shoulder.

Eileen McKusick [00:12:29]:
And I asked her if she'd lost someone very close to her in the last year or 2. She said, oh, yes. My husband died 18 months ago, and I've just been so sad and I can't shake it. And so I just stuck a fork in that because the TV fork acts acts like a magnet where you're able to actually move heavy energy, as odd as that sounds, back to the midline. And it was a 20 minute session. And when she stood up, all her pain was gone. All her pain was gone. And and I remember her sitting in a chair nearby just looking at me in astonishment.

Eileen McKusick [00:13:00]:
Like, she just couldn't believe that you've been to all these doctors and all this thing, and I just stuck a teen fork and went like that. And it was better. Right? So that's what we call psychostomatic pain, where it's actually energetic and there's nothing physically wrong. This past year, we had 2 papers published in peer review for a study that we did on anxiety. And we had it was a feasibility study. It was a small sample group. We had 15 people in it. 13 completed it.

Eileen McKusick [00:13:29]:
Everybody came into this with high levels of clinical anxiety, and they received 3 1 hour biofiltering sessions over Zoom. And in every single little p graph, you see the markers just go down and down and down, and everyone exited the study no longer had clinical anxiety. Now anxiety is something that's very rhythmic. It's just very rhythmic. And you think about when you have anxiety, you just your rhythm is off. Something that's actually pretty easy for us to fix. And we've been working currently, we have a 3 year fully funded study. We're just into year 2 now where we're we have 60 people receiving 5 sessions over Zoom, and we have a control group as well Because and we fully anticipate the same kind of results.

Eileen McKusick [00:14:17]:
So this is a huge thing. If you have anxiety, you don't even have to leave your house and you can receive 3 sessions, 5 sessions over Zoom, and have experienced a significant mitigation of those symptoms that you don't have to be on medication for life, that you can just get your rhythms balanced and can be that easy. Mild to moderate depression, we've been very successful with. I think the biggest thing that I treat is what I call stuckness, is that we all get stuck in different ways. We get stuck emotionally, we get stuck mentally, we get stuck physically, and we need to we need help getting unstuck. And the electrical system is where all of this is happening. It's very easy to find places where energy is stuck and invite it to get moving again, and then suddenly people start having a very different experience of themselves.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:15:11]:
That's so fascinating. And the the idea of doing it on Zoom to me is, like, how does that work? When you're working with sound, Can you speak a little bit about that and how you discovered that you can do this on Zoom, and and how does that work? Well, for many years, people asked me if I could

Eileen McKusick [00:15:28]:
do this work at a distance. And I always thought that was the dumbest question because this is physics. Like, I'm using sound waves on the body. Like, how on earth would I be able to do it at a distance? You know, I kind of had that arrogant skepticism that that people get around this stuff. Maybe people who are watching feel that way, and I totally get it, you know? It's a far reach to understand that tuning forks might help, never mind tuning forks over Zoom. Right? Although, I totally understand that, and I've certainly been in that position myself. But I'm a scientist, and I like research, I like experiments, I like being like, what, let's try this and see what happens. And back in 2,000 11, I was working on my master's thesis, and I had come across a fellow by the name of doctor Carl Merritt, who had written this 30 page PDF that I found online that was, the history and current status of energy medicine in America.

Eileen McKusick [00:16:28]:
And I went through this whole document, and I followed all these links. And at the end, I was like, I gotta meet this guy because he's so knowledgeable. And I reached out to him, and I explained to him what I was doing, and he actually helped me with my thesis, and he wrote the foreword to my first book, Tuning the Human Biofil. He's an MD. And one day, he asked me if I would like to try an experiment to do the work at a distance. And I I was said, why not? Let's just give it a try. So he lay down on one of his treatment tables in his office in California, and I pretended that he was on my treatment table in Vermont. And by this point, I had mapped the field and I had learned the language of vibration.

Eileen McKusick [00:17:11]:
So, you lie down on my table, I'm gonna tell you about your whole life. I'm gonna tell you about every injury or sickness you've ever had. I'm going to tell you about the relationship between your mom, you and your mom, your mom's personality, your dad's personality, you had a head injury when you were 5, all of this information is encoded vibrationally in the field and I've cracked the code and figured out how to read it and understand it. So we had no open line of communication, and I started to comb through the field like I do when someone's on a table. And much to my amazement, that pattern of energy and information was present. And I was able to read it, I was able to adjust it. I took notes. And then I got on the phone with him afterwards, and I told him the ages where he had high stress.

Eileen McKusick [00:18:00]:
I told him areas in his body where he had inflammation, organs that were under functioning, things that happen in early childhood, like all the things that I can tell, which kind of weirds people out, you know? I can you can't lie or hide in this kind of approach, because vibes don't lie. And he said, Eileen, all of that is exactly correct, and I felt a state change while you're working. I feel lighter. And he had tested his, resting blood sugar before and after and noticed a beneficial shift in that as well. So I had to eat crow, and I had to be like, okay. I guess I can do this at a distance. And so for months, I did, I practiced, you know, with friends and family. And what it did was, when I'm working somebody in person and I get into something funky in the field, I'm not sure what it is, I can say to them, okay, I've found a memory that's around 13.

Eileen McKusick [00:18:54]:
It's in the zone where we store sadness. Does that make you think of anything? And people would always be like, oh, yeah, you know, that's when my grandmother died or my dog died or, you know, they'll they'll corroborate it for me. But when I wasn't in contact with people, I had to listen more deeply into the nuances of this vibrational language that that shows up in the overtones and undertones of the fork as the the vibrational information intersects the overtones and undertones being produced. And it's almost like an invisible ink decoder or needle on an album. It broadcasts the information. And so I had to go even deeper into that understanding, like, that's a breakup, That's a move. That's a car accident. And it really deepened my understanding.

Eileen McKusick [00:19:42]:
And then I started doing it over the phone or on Zoom because I I think it's beneficial to have that interaction. And so that's the way most people do biofilte tuning now at a distance is that way. And sometimes when people express skepticism about how well, how does it work? I would say, well, like, have you ever watched somebody with a beautiful voice on YouTube sing a song and it moves you to tears? Did you have to be there live when that was being recorded? Were you was music was sound able to move you just by watching a video? And everyone's like, well, yeah. And it's kind of the same principle. Sound moves us. It can move us to cringe. It can move us to open. It can move us to tears.

Eileen McKusick [00:20:28]:
And and we all know that. We all know that, especially music. Most people have musical playlists. Most people are sound healers, and they don't even realize it in the way that they might choose musical selections or sing in the car when they're fussy or right? So we already we already kinda get it anyway.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:20:45]:
Yeah. No. I I think that that that makes so much sense. And there's so many things, you know, Reiki at a distance. There's so many things from an energy standpoint that we can do at a distance. It's just interesting to hear your story of how you came upon that and and that actually you came into it with this, like, skepticism and then were shown through your experience that this really is able to be done via Zoom. And also what a beautiful thing too that it makes it so much more accessible for people that they can find, you know, a biofield tuner who can work with them over distance on Zoom. So one thing that you you you said about the, you know, time that you could you said to that woman, you know, what happened between 12 years ago.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:21:26]:
And I'm curious, you know, you describe, like, certain areas of body, but then also time. I'm wondering if you can describe this in the map. Like, just how does how does that work and how can people gain an understanding of what you're speaking of?

Eileen McKusick [00:21:41]:
So this is the biofield anatomy map, and and this is broken out into there's down here, and I know this is hard to see, is the timeline aspect of it. So this person is hypothetically 60 years old. So I'm gonna find information from their gestation and birth at the very outer edge of their field because the field is a torus. So what a torus is is it's basically a, it's a bubble with a central channel down the middle and flow, a charge circulates through it. So we draw up the negative current from the surface of the Earth, why grounding has become so popular. And that's a way for us to energize the ascending negative current. We draw a positive charge from the sun down through our head. And so these charges spiral up and down the central channel or the spine.

Eileen McKusick [00:22:36]:
We see this represented in the Vedic representation of the Ida and the Pingala, the 2 snakes that crisscross going up spine. And this is what I would call the positive and negative charge. And then that forms a bubble. So the way that the timeline aspect works in the field is that the outer boundary contains information from our gestation, and just inside that is birth. And then as we move in towards the body, we're really reading the timeline. Because as we generate information, you know, each day, you are having certain thoughts, certain feelings, certain inputs, experiences, and all of that is electrical impulses in in your body, in your brain. And so we're we're almost like little EEG tickers, you know, EKG tickers where we're we're constantly adding the vibrational information of our experience to our memory bank in these standing waves in our field. So the field extends about 6 feet around us, you know, out to the side, so it's like a 12 foot diameter bubble.

Eileen McKusick [00:23:44]:
And if somebody is 60, I'm gonna find information that was generated when they were 30, about 3 feet away from them. And this is consistent all the time. Like, every person who learns biofield tuning learns to read and work with this map, and it's very easy when you're combing through the field and you hit a pocket of dissonance to determine what age that was created. And if it's off the liver, it had to do with anger or your relationship with your father. If it's off the right shoulder, it has to do with saying yes when you mean no, being a caretaker, a giver, overextending yourself. So wherever these things land in the field, we can plot them on the map and identify specifically what that memory or traumatic input was.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:24:34]:
Got it. And so and this, basically, you've mapped over decades of doing this work and and just building this yourself. This is really all the work that you've done, and now you teach other people how to do biofuel tuning as well. You have other what would you call them what would you call someone who does biofuel tuning?

Eileen McKusick [00:24:53]:
They're bioprotein practitioner. Practitioner. Practitioner. Yeah. I started teaching my very first group of students in 2010, and it was between 2,006 and 2010 that I mapped the majority of the field. And it was really pattern recognition. It was it was a lot of sort of fumbling in the dark with moments of flashes of illumination where I would suddenly get insight into what was going on. And at the same time, sort of teaching myself this sonic braille, as well, this sort of language of vibration.

Eileen McKusick [00:25:23]:
I wasn't sure if other people could do it. One of my brothers asked me, he's like, can other people do what you do? I was like, I don't know. And then I with my first group of students in a pilot class, I discovered that everybody could do it. Everybody could find the areas in the field that were distorted, plot them on the map, figure out what they were, adjust the energy, and that it wasn't really even that hard. The practice is really pretty simple, and you don't have to hear although you certainly can hear the differences and and learn the language, anybody can feel it in their fingertips when they're when they're going slowly with the fork. The vibration changes. You can always see it in a weighted fork, the way that the fork vibrates differently when it's in this standing wave, this node of chaos. It's really evident.

Eileen McKusick [00:26:08]:
So the I started in 2010, and at this point, we've trained over 3,000 people in the method. I have a team, there's 12 teachers, and we teach both virtually and in person. People do it as a stand alone practice, or they integrate it into whatever practice they might already have. Quite a lot of chiropractors, holistic nurses, coaches, counselors, massage therapists, there's many, many different approaches to health can incorporate this into what they're already doing to augment whatever their skill set already is.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:26:44]:
Yeah. Well, and that makes sense to me that this could be such a beautiful tool that can be brought into so many other modalities to help release the stuckness as you describe. And I'm wondering, so, you know, if we think about our voices are an instrument, Can people use their voices to tune themselves?

Eileen McKusick [00:27:05]:
Absolutely. In fact, my my newest body of work that's been developing, since 2020 is called Sing the Body Electric with 2 Australian brothers, Isaac and Torral Coran. And we developed what we call the sonic anatomy, which is the discovery that different tones, different sounds resonate in different areas of the body. And a lot of these sounds are sounds that babies make naturally as they're exploring their own acoustic instruments. And it sounds like goo and gee and ga and ma and pa. And we just finished up a 1 month course with a group of students, and it is an incredibly healing and liberating exercise to do because there are so many places where we get shut down. For example, the sound pa resonates in the liver. And the liver in the in both Chinese medicine and the biofield anatomy is related to our father and our relationship with our father.

Eileen McKusick [00:28:05]:
I was recently when I was in Peru, I was in a cave with a group of people, and I was leading them through the tones, and everything sounded great until we got to pa, and it it came out of almost everybody sounding like And that's a sign that your relationship with your father caused you to contract, to shut down, to pull in, maybe to withhold anger or protect yourself from abuse of some kind or another. And that will inhibit the functioning of your liver, just this tension from that relationship. And when you go in and you you really direct your awareness to your liver and you send that sound in there, you can help open up something that might be collapsed. You can help release patterns of tension that can enable better functioning, and and can actually lead to healing of relationships. And so the this this combination of using the voice from within through this system of resonance and then tuning forks from the outside has the power to really bring people into a state of intuneness. Most of us are just out of tune. We're out of tune instruments that have gotten beat up and lied to and and had to deal with many struggles, and we don't function properly. And sound can help us to become more coherent, more clear, more centered, more grounded.

Eileen McKusick [00:29:31]:
And then that allows you to expand into your potential as a human being. Because I think part of the problem with stuckness is that people know that they have the potential to be more. Think everybody knows that they have a genius inside, an amazingness inside. This is certainly what I've observed from getting people in tune is that when when somebody comes into their in tune state, they're they're amazing. And then they have access to this potential that they could not access before. And it and it really is just about getting everything in order, in integrity, into a beautiful natural resonance that is also in in resonance and consonance with the natural world. Because it's super important that we are, you know, we're not of the earth. Like, we are the earth.

Eileen McKusick [00:30:21]:
We're we're water. We're minerals. We're mud. We're tide pools. And part of, I think, a lot of the sickness of humanity these days is that we've lost the the sheet music of nature, and we've just become noisy inside, and then that becomes the experience of our life. But when you become clear and in tune, then you have much better interactions with people, you have much better interactions with yourself, and you've got a bigger tank of gas to get through the day. You can get a lot more done. You know? We've heard so many stories of people getting over the writer's block or having the energy to bust clutter.

Eileen McKusick [00:30:57]:
A lot of the clutter within our field shows up in the world around us, people who struggle to maintain order. Right? We've all had the experience of having the flu, being on the couch, laundry piling up, dishes in the sink, you just don't have the gumption to get things in order. So this helps. It it it brings the system into its sort of maximum efficiency of flow so that suddenly you can bust that clutter, or you can finish that project, can realize your potential. It's something I think we're all encoded and driven to really do. Absolutely.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:31:33]:
Well, and I think it's beautiful too, because this is one of the things that I've seen, especially with people who have cancer, is that they a lot of these things are unconscious. They're they're not even aware that they're being blocked by these things. And and, of course, the lens that I see through the world through is is cancer and illness and, you know, things manifesting in people as physical illness, but then there's these other things. And and they don't even know what it is that needs to be released or, you know, tune to bring themself back in. And so I think it's it's really it's beautiful to hear about this as a tool that people can use without having to know exactly what the problem is, what stuck.

Eileen McKusick [00:32:16]:
Absolutely. And even your practitioner doesn't need to know. You know, when certainly when I work on people, I will tell you it's this, this, this, this, and this. But you can do adjustments and help to relieve these areas of blockages without even an in-depth understanding of of what is going on. People just notice they feel better, they feel more relaxed. A lot of illness that I've observed is tension based. And I know there are people that argue that that a lot of illness is a consequence of exposure to toxins. But I'll tell you what, we've all been exposed to heavy metals.

Eileen McKusick [00:32:53]:
Why do some people sequester heavy metals and be burdened by them and other people don't? And what I've observed is that the personality who sequesters heavy metals has a tendency to hold back anger. And if you think about the feeling of getting really angry and then the tension you have to create across all the membranes in your body to hold that anger back, that is makes it difficult for the body to move stuff like heavy metals around and and things get trapped. So, yes, toxins are a problem, but a robust system that does not have high degree of tension here and tension there and will process toxins much more efficiently.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:33:36]:
Yeah. So it's basically tuning the body to do what it does naturally better and helping people move through stuck ness, whatever it is. And, you know, of course, all of us have different things that we've been experienced in our lives or had exposure to different traumas that everyone has this lens that they, you know, see the world and also hold in their field. So it's a it's beautiful to, you know, think about this just in a way of this is a way to bring you back in tune so that whatever it is that you're dealing with, it's just things flow easier. Exactly. Exactly.

Eileen McKusick [00:34:13]:
And, you know, regarding cancer, I just actually lost one of my best friends cancer a couple of days ago, and I had given her a session. Now we don't treat cancer in biofilte tuning. What I've observed is that when disease goes deeply into the body, it goes out of our wheelhouse. And so we don't ever, you know, take on clients that have cancer because it's just not what this work does. This work is not, I tried everything with Western medicine, and now I'm willing to go woo and try the tuning forks. It's like, no. This is really a practice to help get you in balance, keep you in balance so that you your body doesn't go south hard in some way or another. And what I found with this particular person, and she had uterine cancer and a tumor that grew on the right side of her uterus, was that she had a very strong, what I call, inner task master.

Eileen McKusick [00:35:06]:
And this sort of continual running to do list of and I had been telling her for years that she needed to get her foot off the gas and her nose off the grindstone because she was just hitting it too hard and too long. And so that's an indication of the body, the energy shifting to the right side, the yang, the doing, the outward going. And so she had this very strong current of energy that ran along the right side of her body that was always compelling her to go and do. And that is exactly where the pathology developed in her body. So

Dr. Katie Deming [00:35:39]:
I wanna ask a question about that. So you said that you don't work with people who have cancer, but my question would be people with cancer also have things that are stuck. So even though you're not treating cancer, is it that you won't see that your practitioners won't see people who have cancer? It's just that the we're not treating cancer with this modality. We're helping with, you know, the stuckness and in tuning you and the the intention is not to cure to heal the cancer. Is that am I hearing

Eileen McKusick [00:36:10]:
you correctly? Yeah, that's correct. I discourage people to take on paying clients who who have active cancer because in my research, what I found is it, yes, it can provide insight into the emotional underpinnings of what led to it in the first place. You know, I think it was very helpful for my friend to understand what the imbalance the underlying imbalance was that was there. It was very evident that that's what it was. But I wasn't able to make any kind of a dent in her physical ailments. Right? So, certainly, practitioners work on friends and family. You know, they're free to to do that sort of thing, but we don't want anyone thinking that they can go to a SIA Biofille tuning practitioner and and become healed of physical ailments. It can help relieve stress, it can help give insight, but it isn't it's not sure the way that we currently practice it.

Eileen McKusick [00:37:02]:
And so and also, it is illegal in the United States to treat cancer with anything other than AMA approved approaches. So that's just not a battleground we wanna step into.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:37:15]:
Treating anything with sound treating cancer with sound is illegal? Is that what you said?

Eileen McKusick [00:37:21]:
Yeah. As far as I understand it, I certainly have friends and colleagues that have come up with cures and gone in trouble, gotten in gotten in trouble for it. It's a very well protected marketplace for the people that are involved in it. I'm more interested in prevention. You know, that's my job is to help you to stay in a preventive state where you aren't yourself to be run by subconscious trauma responses that are out of balance, but you can't stop doing them because for whatever reason, at some point, you decided your life depended on you engaging in in this kind of trauma response solution. And that's the stuckness part. I really see that wherever we get stuck and we're off balance or off kilter and we keep indulging that, that's where the body breaks down. The in the biofield model, your body is inside your mind, not the other way around.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:38:23]:
And so wherever your biofield, your mind, your emotions are out of balance, at some point or another, the body is gonna malfunction in that area. Absolutely. That makes sense. And I I think this is it's fascinating, this idea about treating cancer with sound being illegal. Because I remember this must have been a few years ago. I was interested in in sound organization where they were having monthly meetings and they focused on different topics, and they were talking about all these different topics. And so I mentioned, I was like, why don't we talk about cancer? Like, why are we not talking about cancer? And they said, oh, no. That that that's not something that, you know, that cancer you can't use sound for cancer.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:39:09]:
And so it's it's kinda fascinating to me why this is, you know, as I'm learning a lot of things or some things that are fascinating that we are not allowed to explore that there may be benefit. But I think that I what I love about what you're saying here is that it's like you're very clear about what this modality is doing. And I also love the idea of getting ahead of it. And this is one of the things that was really frustrating for me as a traditional oncologist and as a health care leader is that, you know, there's this parable of the river. My listeners have heard this before, but, basically, I heard it at a meditation retreat probably in, like, 2017. And this village, you know, one day there was someone floating in the river and so they rushed out and saved the person. And then the next day, there were 2 bodies in the river and they saved them. And next day, there were 4 and then 8 and this village got very organized at rescuing these people off the river and they had, you know, this whole system with boats and pulleys and just amazing rescue operations.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:40:09]:
And the village elders were praising the villagers. And and I looked at my friend who was a g one oncologist, and I was like, this is western oncology. We are glorified workers on this river just pulling people out. But what the heck is happening upstream? And then also, why are we not telling them how to stay out of the river? And so your idea of being, you know, ahead of the illness and really helping this is what all of the work that I'm doing is I wanna get ahead of this. I I don't want us to have, you know, 1 in 3 Americans right now get cancer in their lifetime. That is not acceptable to me. And so really getting ahead and helping people understand all the pieces that make them well from their emotional well-being to working on the bio field. All of these pieces to allow themselves to have the tools to be in flow and and not be carrying all this stuff around.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:41:02]:
All not only because it's not it hopefully will keep you from getting sick, but you're just gonna feel better and lighter like you describe, you know, which I think is beautiful. So thank you so much for being with me here today. If people would like to find you or your practitioners, what is the best way for them to find you? Biofieldteaning.com

Eileen McKusick [00:41:23]:
has, tells you all about biofield tuning. There is a find a practitioner page, and we also have a store where I've created a line of very high quality tuning forks. I think sometimes people, they're like, oh, I'm gonna try tuning fork, and they buy a $12 fork off Amazon. That's not a sound healing tool. My my tools are very high quality. They're more expensive, but they're really the sort of quality you need to do this kind of work. And and I have a YouTube channel too. You just go to YouTube and search my name, And there's lots of free sessions, so you can experience, like, kind of through Zoom, what it feels like, and and just sort of lots of information there.

Eileen McKusick [00:42:04]:
So plenty of resources have been provided if people wanna learn more.

Dr. Katie Deming [00:42:09]:
That's wonderful. Thank you so much for being here.

Eileen McKusick [00:42:12]:
Yes. Thank you, Katie.