[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: What if I told you that you could eradicate your cancer and still not be healed, or the true healing might happen even while you're still living with disease? Welcome to the hundredth episode of Born To Heal. When I started this podcast in 2021, we had just 80 downloads. Today, we reach over 8,000 people each month.[00:00:22] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I relaunched it last year with a tiny team and no clear roadmap, just a deep trust in the process. Thank you for walking this path with me for this special episode. I wanted to share the lesson that's reshaped everything I once believed. After 20 years as a radiation oncologist and countless hours at patient's bedsides, I've come to understand that healing isn't just about getting rid of illness.

[00:00:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It's something much deeper. Today I'll explore the two essential elements of true healing that go beyond the physical and why chasing a cure might actually keep you from the [00:01:00] peace you're really looking for. I'll also share the story of Patsy, a woman whose fearless authenticity showed me what real serenity looks like.

[00:01:10] Dr. Katie Deming MD: If this podcast has moved you in any way, I'd be so grateful if you could leave a review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast player of choice. Your reviews are how other people find this podcast, and it means so much to me to have you share your experience and what this means to you. Stay with me till the end of this episode because I'm gonna explain why I think we've been getting the whole healing journey.

[00:01:37] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Backwards. Let's dive in. ~What if I told you that you could eradicate your cancer and still not be healed, or that true healing might happen even while you're still living with disease? Welcome to the hundredth episode of Born To Heal. When I started this podcast back in 2021, we had just 80 downloads.~

[00:01:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: ~Today we reach over 8,000 people each month. I relaunched it last year with a tiny team and no clear roadmap, just a deep trust in the process. Thank you for walking this path with me for this special episode. I wanted to share the lesson that's reshaped everything I once believed after 20 years as a radiation oncologist and countless hours at patients' bedsides.~

[00:01:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: ~I've come to understand that healing isn't just about getting rid of illness, it's something much deeper. Today I'll explore the two essential elements of true healing that go beyond the physical and why chasing a cure might actually keep you from the peace you're really looking for. I'll also share this.~

[00:01:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: ~I'll also share the story of Patsy, a woman whose fearless authenticity showed me what real serenity looks like. If this podcast has moved you in any way, I'd be so grateful if you could leave a review on Apple Podcast or your favorite podcast player of choice. And stay with me until the end of this episode because I'm gonna explain why I think we've been getting the whole healing journey backwards.~

[00:01:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: ~Let's dive in.~

[00:01:49] Hello everyone and welcome back to The Born to Heal podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Katie Deming, and on today's episode I want to explore the profound difference between [00:02:00] eradicating disease and true healing while eliminating disease has its role. For sure. Healing is actually what we truly seek. That deep peace that embraces everything, even disease and true healing transforms our relationship with life itself.

[00:02:23] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so I wanna dive into that today because the other night I received this awareness that. I think that we are misguided in what we think the goal of healing is. And so when someone is healing a condition, a disease, an illness, a you know, problem within their body, the focus is really on. Eradicating that problem, getting rid of that problem so that the body can be healthy again.

[00:02:59] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And [00:03:00] absolutely there is a role for that. That is how I've spent my whole career, right? So I spent 20 years as a radiation oncologist, and then now I've spent almost two years as an integrative oncologist using different approaches, but really focused on eradicating disease, and that's what people. Hire me for.

[00:03:17] Dr. Katie Deming MD: That's what people come to me for. But what I saw the other night was that this is actually not the goal in this lifetime and that you can eradicate disease and not be healed, and you can heal and not eradicate disease. And so I wanna explore what that difference is and. Why I think that true healing is really the goal as opposed to eradicating disease.

[00:03:50] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the way that I came to this was really, I. I've spent so much time around death. I've spent a lot of time, my career in medicine started at hospice, [00:04:00] so that's actually the reason why I went into oncology in the first place, is that I was an undergrad. I was studying neuroscience and bio-psychology, and I didn't know what I was gonna do with that.

[00:04:13] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And. I thought that I could either do go to medical school or I could do research and I was, you know, naively thinking those were my two options. Now, I realize you could have done anything with an undergraduate career degree in neuroscience and bio-psychology, but at the time I was really deciding between these two things and my mom said.

[00:04:32] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I don't think you wanna be a doctor. She was a nurse practitioner and most of the doctors that she worked with were men. She had worked in the emergency room and she was like, I don't know that you want that lifestyle. She knew that I wanted children. I always, always knew that I wanted to have children from a very young age, and she's just like, I don't know that that's conducive to having a family.

[00:04:53] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So in usual fashion, this will make sense to you guys. Now if, if you've been listening to me for any time, [00:05:00] I basically. Said, well, what would be the one thing that I would hate about medicine? And that was death. That I had really not had much exposure to death in my lifetime, except for in the fourth grade.

[00:05:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: One of my friends, her name was Eer Kelleher. She died of leukemia, and I remember. That terrified me. I actually thought for the longest time that when people went to Ireland, 'cause she went to Ireland with her family, the summer between first grade and second grade and came back in second grade with leukemia.

[00:05:34] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I thought that people going to Ireland got leukemia. Like I didn't understand this and then watched her deteriorate and I remember. When I was in the fourth grade, so this was, you know, pretty short before she passed. Like a few months before she passed, I had broken my arm or my hand in, uh, a running race.

[00:05:59] Dr. Katie Deming MD: [00:06:00] And so I couldn't play with the other kids and so I had to sit out and she was also sitting out because she wasn't able to play. And I remember thinking like, I'm gonna have this cast on my arm for six weeks, but. She's never gonna get to go back in. And play handball. And I was just devastated by that.

[00:06:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I didn't go to her funeral. I had actually switched schools in the fifth grade and she passed in the fifth grade. And ~um, ~I. ~ ~I didn't go because I couldn't handle it. Like I just, it was too much for me to handle at that age. And I always felt regretful that I didn't go to her funeral, but I just couldn't, like, I, I couldn't, at 10 years old, I just, I didn't understand it and it scared me and so.

[00:06:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: As I was thinking about a career in medicine, I was like, oh my gosh, I definitely don't want to see people dying. And so I decided that I was gonna go volunteer at hospice [00:07:00] because I figured that was the quickest way for me to cross medicine off of my list. And. As you guys can tell, this story did not turn out the way that I had planned it, and I volunteered for hospice and it changed my life.

[00:07:14] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Like being around people who were facing the end of their life was life changing for me. And the things that I learned about living and about what this life is about was so profound that I decided, you know, after that short experience working at hospice, I probably was there for a year or so. I was like, I wanna be around this always, these are the people that I wanna be around.

[00:07:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so at that particular hospice, there were mostly people with cancer. There were also people with AIDS at that time in this particular hospice. But I decided that I wanted to not only go to medical school, but that I wanted to be become an oncologist so that I could be close to that. [00:08:00] Wisdom and truth that is present as people near the end of their life.

[00:08:06] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so I've spent that time leading into, you know, my medical career and then as an oncologist have spent a lot of time around people at the end of life. And I. Really love that intimacy of being close to people as they're reflecting on their life. And then also, I'm not afraid of it, like for whatever reason.

[00:08:30] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I was very afraid of death when I was a child because of that experience with my friend. But in, after the experience at hospice, I was like, I'm not afraid to be with these people. And I knew a lot of other doctors, a lot of other healthcare professionals were like, Ooh, I don't, I don't, I don't think I could handle that being so close to death.

[00:08:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so for me, I always loved being with my patients and really, um, I. Walking with them as they got close to [00:09:00] the end of life because it just felt comfortable for me and there was so much wisdom and I knew that they needed someone to be there. And if I felt comfortable, then that to me was like a beautiful thing that I could offer,~ um,~ in terms of my service.

[00:09:15] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so I intentionally spent a lot of time close to my patients who were reflecting on their life and. I'll tell you that those ones that had their cancer, that they died of their cancer weren't talking about their cancer. As they transitioned, the things that they regretted were consistent, whether they died of their cancer or whether they had been healed of their cancer and were dying of something else.

[00:09:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the consistent regret that I heard, the number one thing that I heard from my patients was that I wish I had been true to myself. [00:10:00] I wish I had been authentic and hadn't done what everyone else wanted me to do. And so that was the same like, so curing your cancer actually didn't change that regret I.

[00:10:17] Dr. Katie Deming MD: People had that regret regardless of whether they had cancer or whether they didn't have cancer. And then on the flip side of that, my patients that died of their cancer, who had lived a life that was authentic to themselves and specifically, I remember this one patient. Her name was Patsy and she was the only person in my career that I helped transition using medical aid and dying.

[00:10:45] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And this is basically where patients who have a terminal illness can request medications. To end their life on their terms, and you have to meet specific criteria. It's a long [00:11:00] process. There's all of these checks and balances to make sure that this process is not abused. And I ended up helping Patsy transition in 2019, and Patsy was someone who knew I actually need to do a whole episode on this.

[00:11:16] Dr. Katie Deming MD: We did a beautiful interview with her. Daughter and myself on another podcast. But unfortunately the whole, uh, all of those,~ um,~ tapes or records have been, uh, lost. But maybe I'll invite Christina and we can have a conversation about this on my podcast. It was beautiful. That was the most beautiful transition I've ever been a part of, but.

[00:11:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: It was all because of Patsy. Patsy was so clear. She had lived her life so fearlessly with so much courage. She was this, I don't know, she was probably like four 10. She looked tiny next to me and I'm five one, so she was this little tiny,~ um,~ woman. She had like beautiful, beautiful white [00:12:00] hair and these piercing blue eyes when I met her.

[00:12:02] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And she was basically dying of esophageal cancer when I met her. But she had lived her life exactly the way I. She wanted to, of course, like everything didn't turn out the way that she wanted to, but she had been fiercely independent and authentic to who she was and didn't care, didn't give a rip what anyone else thought and was gonna do things her own way.

[00:12:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so she ended her life in the same way with that same tenacity and same clarity. And she. Literally was the only person who I have seen just completely at peace with how she had lived her life and where she was going and what was next. And not to say that my other patients didn't have some sense of peace, but this was such a clear demonstration.

[00:12:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Like she was the one that I was like, at the end of my life, I wanna be like [00:13:00] Patsy. Like she was a model for me because I had seen so many people. Regretful of how they had lived their life and Patsy died of her cancer. And I've had other patients who have died of their cancer as well, who maybe didn't have the same level of peace that Patsy did, but they, not one of them, if they had lived their life in a way that felt in alignment with themselves.

[00:13:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: None of them talked about the cancer. None of them talked about regretting that they were dying of cancer and that making it all about the cancer and that they had wished they had eradicated the disease. They were focused on how they had lived. And so the other night when I was thinking about this, I was like, I honestly think this is really like what I think.

[00:13:52] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I think we have it all backwards. I think that eradicating disease is not the goal at all [00:14:00] because if you eradicate your disease and you get to the end of your life and you are regretful of how you lived your life, I. You haven't healed. You haven't come here to do what you came here to do. And this is, I mean, this is my biggest fear, right?

[00:14:20] Dr. Katie Deming MD: The whole reason why I ultimately, you know, blew up my life. I. And left Western medicine and got a divorce and all of that was because I knew when I heard that message that you need to leave, and I had the shared death experience where it became clear. I knew that if I didn't do that, if I didn't follow that information and do what I know, my soul soul was calling me to do that.

[00:14:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I would regret it at the end of my life. And I knew that I could not do that. I knew that that. Was more important than anything else. And so I say this to you [00:15:00] because are you focused on eradicating disease, but in fear and not living the life that is true to who you are? And if so. What needs to happen for you to get that healing, to get that peace, to get that clarity, because I'll tell you that if you can find peace and healing in the illness, then when you leave here, you're not gonna have that regret, and you're going to reflect on your life in a way that you.

[00:15:37] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Did what you came here to do, and I think all of us have this, this sense inside this like little feeling like, I know I'm here to do something, I just don't know what it is. And I'll tell you that this is universal. Like, you know, thousands of patients that I've seen, everyone feels like we're here for a reason, that there's a reason why we came here.

[00:15:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And most people don't realize it until they leave. [00:16:00] That the reason why they're here is to come and be themselves, to be an authentic. Individual, unique person. That's it. It's so simple that it's actually like we totally miss it, but that's why we're here. We're here to express our uniqueness and be that end of one, and yet we spend our lives trying to fit in.

[00:16:28] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Trying to make other people happy, taking care of everyone else, doing all of the things that we're told you are gonna make us happy. And most of us are not. Most of us don't find happiness in being someone that we're not. What we find is we feel misaligned and we feel like we're missing something. And so my.

[00:16:53] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Goal for my own life, but also my wish for you is that [00:17:00] we let go of that and we realize that the illness is actually showing us something. And a lot of the time what an illness is showing you. Is where you're misaligned. And it may not be clear, the illness may not be like a direct result where you're like, okay, this type of cancer means this like, and I know there are frameworks for that.

[00:17:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, German new medicine is an example of how, you know, it can show that there's certain conflicts tied to certain types of illness. And you know, also there are lots of books that talk about, you know, cancer being related to anger or whatever it is. And there's so many that actually, I'm not sure what what is correct because there's so many different interpretations.

[00:17:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But I do know this, your illness is trying to tell you something. And usually something is out of alignment in your life. And I talked about this on [00:18:00] the intuition episode, but your job is to start being authentic to you. That often is not an easy process because we are born into a society, a world where we are conditioned from the day we are born into becoming something right.

[00:18:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And it depends on your family, depends on your religion, depends on your government, all of that stuff. But basically we are shaped into becoming something. And a lot of that shaping happens in the first seven years of life when the subconscious mind is basically like a tape recorder and it records everything that we experience.

[00:18:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Not making, you know right or wrong or good or bad, out of anything. It just records everything and then that tape is played back for the rest of our life. Unless you do work on [00:19:00] reprogramming your subconscious, most of us have been conditioned and trained into becoming someone that we are not. And that is what you're here to do.

[00:19:12] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I'm telling you, if there's one thing that you can do before the end of their your life is to dismantle who you've become through conditioning. Tap into who you really are and who you came here to be. And I don't care if you die of cancer, if you don't die of cancer. If you do that, you will find peace.

[00:19:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And the idea that I will just be happy I, my life can go on when the cancer's gone. Like everything is contingent on when that happens. This is what I'm going to have. I'll tell you that that's not true because I've seen so many people that [00:20:00] they heal their cancer and then they have the same problems.

[00:20:03] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, they get rid of their cancer, do conventional treatment, go back to their regular life. And that's frankly one of the reasons why I knew I had to leave. Like, that's one of the things that I saw. It was like, I had this one patient, and this was when I started to realize like, okay, I was having the messages that I was supposed to leave Western Medicine.

[00:20:23] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I didn't understand it. I, I couldn't grasp it, but I knew that whatever. We were doing in Western medicine wasn't true healing. And I remember that I had started teaching my patients about self-love and you know, this connecting with themselves and learning how to be authentic to themselves and how to care for themselves and how to create boundaries.

[00:20:46] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so it was interesting because. My patients really weren't there for that from me. I was like, I think I need to do something different, because they're not here to hear, that's not what they wanna hear from me because they just want me to give radiation and like [00:21:00] be, you know, let them go on their way.

[00:21:02] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But I had this one patient who is very open to the things that I was teaching her. 'cause I see my patients every week when they're having radiation. And so we had done all this work on boundaries and taking care of herself and nourishing herself and, you know, starting to exercise. She had two small children and she basically had not been taking care of herself.

[00:21:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so while she was doing radiation, she, you know, wasn't working and she was, you know, had more help at home and was able to take care of herself better. And I remember when she came back to me at six weeks. For her six week follow up after radiation. And I asked her, you know, how all of those things were going and she was like, oh, Dr.

[00:21:47] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Deming, I, you know, after the treatment, everyone had been like, you know, taking care of everything for so long during chemo and during the surgery and now radiation. And so I just jumped back in and I had to take [00:22:00] care of everything. So now I'm actually doing more than I was doing before. So I haven't been doing any of those things that we talked about.

[00:22:06] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And my heart sunk because I was like. Gosh, she just missed a huge opportunity to change her life and start taking care of herself and start paying attention to what was important to her. And so I think that you can do all the treatments and you can even do some of this stuff of taking care of yourself, you know, like getting the, the messages that, the things that need to shift while you're healing cancer.

[00:22:33] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But if you don't embrace this as a life change, you're just gonna go back and. Get swallowed up by life because it, it basically will just, you know, turn you back out. You know, life right now is stressful in our modern world, and it's so toxic. So toxic on so many levels. And, you know, I've talked about that on, on all my episodes and the different toxicities and the things that we're [00:23:00] exposed to.

[00:23:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But if you go back and then you're, you know, just back in that toxic soup and you're not paying attention to like. Who am I? What do I need? What does my body need? What does my soul need? Like why am I here? If you don't ponder those questions, you will at the end of your life, I promise you, I've seen so many people there and that you are not gonna care.

[00:23:29] Dr. Katie Deming MD: About whether your cancer was eradicated at that time. If you haven't done this other work. So I'm not, and I, I wanna be clear here. I'm not saying that eradicating cancer is not a good thing. Like Absolutely. Of course we all want that. I want that for you. I want everyone to be healthy. I want to help us detoxify our bodies and our minds and our emotions.

[00:23:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I want to help people nourish so that they don't get sick in the first place. [00:24:00] And then if you have cancer, that you heal it. That's like, I want that for you. But I'm telling you that this is more important than that. That even if you do that, if you don't live according to who you are and you're living someone else's life, you'll regret it at the end of your life.

[00:24:24] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And. We only get this one life. You know, this one time around. Obviously I believe that we come back and back and that we do this over and over again, but each time that we come in, each incarnation is an opportunity and you're here for a reason. You're here to be your unique self. And put that energy into the world and make a unique mark on the world.

[00:24:55] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And it doesn't have to be a big mark. It can be, you know, just in your small corner, [00:25:00] but that's why you're here. And if we don't do that, we've missed the whole reason. And I've just seen too many people. Really, really sad at the end of their life. And that's part of the reason why I loved being at hospice when I was 20 years old, because I wasn't thinking about any of that.

[00:25:21] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Right. At 20 years old, you think the world revolves around you? I was doing all kinds of things and pushing achievement. I was, you know, had been a professional triathlete at that point and I was, you know. Planning to go to medical school and I just was like so full of ambition and I thought that that's what this life was about.

[00:25:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And honestly, I pursued that for a very long time. Right? This like achievement orientation. But I started to hear the truth at that hospice when I was 20 years old. and then I wanted to be close to that and that's, you know, that was my intuition saying there is truth here, there is wisdom here. And that I was pulled to really [00:26:00] be close to people who are facing their own mortality.

[00:26:03] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I. And I didn't get it. It took me a long time to get it right. I was like caught up in the, you know, the doing, the achieving. I did all of that for so long and then, you know, when I had my shared death experience, it really showed me like, oh, I'm doing this, but this is not actually who I am. And so my decision to leave Western medicine, even though I didn't know who I was, I knew that who I had become was not who I was meant to be and what I was here to do.

[00:26:40] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so I had to let that go, and that was painful, and that was like the hardest thing that I've ever done. But the thing that I have now. Is now I have authenticity, and even now I'm starting to realize like I've taken on conditioning Now in my [00:27:00] new practice, that is not necessarily me, right? Because I went from one structure of being a radiation oncologist into this space, and then what do you call someone who, you know, helps people get better results with conventional therapy and then also does natural therapy.

[00:27:16] Dr. Katie Deming MD: That's an integrative oncologist, right? So now I'm an integrative oncologist and I've. Almost like I left one cage and then created a new cage for myself. And actually I heard that from one of my clients recently who was fasting and was talking about that, that she had left her corporate job that was one cage and then had created a business that was new cage.

[00:27:36] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And this cage for is like more aligned with who I am, but still I'm seeing. There's actually more for me to shed. There's more for me to step into being the most authentic version of myself and, and serving at the highest level because the more authentic I can be. The more I can give and the more I can [00:28:00] share of my unique gifts, talents, and light in the world.

[00:28:05] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And so I'm learning this right along with you, but I may be one step ahead because I've already had to make some of those shifts to align more with my authentic self. So. That's the first thing is like this authenticity and, and really stepping into who you are is why you're here, and, and that's part of true healing.

[00:28:31] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But the other piece is the peace. So the other piece of this is peace, meaning finding the serenity, the peace. Regardless of what is happening, like whether you have cancer that is not controlled, whether you have another illness that is not controlled, whether you're dealing with whatever you know, catastrophic event in your life, [00:29:00] can you find peace?

[00:29:02] Dr. Katie Deming MD: We are here to experience the human experience, which is one of contrast. You know, I think we've been sold, this is another part of the conditioning. We've been sold a story that you came here so that you could go to school, get married, have two children, you know, live the perfect life and happy ever after.

[00:29:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I mean, look around. How many people is that working out for? That's not why we're here. That's a story. That's a conditioning that's been sold to you, and now people feel unhappy. They feel like I haven't achieved it, like they've failed. But the truth is, that's not what this is about anyway. This is a place where we come to learn lessons.

[00:29:45] Dr. Katie Deming MD: This is a place of contrast, and so the goal is not to make the perfect life. Because I, I'm just gonna tell you, that's never gonna happen because everything that, like, you know, there's the law of [00:30:00] correspondence. Everything that swings one way is gonna swing back the other way, right? So every kingdom has its rise and its fall.

[00:30:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: Same thing happens in our lives. And so finding peace. Regardless of where you're at in your journey, whether things are going amazing or whether things are really looking pretty terrible. If you can find peace, that's the secret. Then you can manage through anything, and then you're not fighting. You're not resisting because how much resistance do you feel around healing?

[00:30:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You know, like why does this feel so hard? Why does it feel like I'm constantly coming up against these walls? A lot of it is the internal resistance of your idea of what is supposed to happen. And I don't know, like this is the thing too, is that I don't know whether your cancer is supposed to go away.

[00:30:56] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And I say that with all due respect. I'm not saying that I don't want that for you. [00:31:00] I want that for everyone. But what if it's not? What if it's not your path? What if your path is having cancer? Finding peace in that is your freedom. That's like where you get your wings so you can be free is when you find peace in the shittiest, excuse my language, experience when things are bad.

[00:31:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: If you can find peace there. That's your key to happiness. Happiness is not a destination.~ Don Javier often says this, happiness is not the goal. Like there, no, what does he say? Actually, Marvin, if you can just, um, remove that. ~Don Jer often says There is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. That is so true.

[00:31:41] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You can find happiness in everything, in every moment, in every experience, and I know that a lot of you will say, well, you just don't know what I've been dealt in my life and the trauma that I've experienced, and I don't. I don't know what you've been [00:32:00] through, but I know personally that, and this is part of why I think that my practice and specifically dealing with all of the emotional trauma related to illness is so close to my heart, is because I've had a lot of trauma in my life.

[00:32:16] Dr. Katie Deming MD: So I understand bad things happen and what are you gonna do with it? Are you gonna stay there? Are you gonna, you know, allow that to define the rest of your life? I personally, I choose not to do that. Like I'm choosing peace in the moment. And as I've gone through the past few years of leaving Western medicine, getting a divorce, starting over, all of that stuff, there's been a lot of days where I'm like, wow, this is like really hard.

[00:32:47] Dr. Katie Deming MD: But. Holding that peace inside myself, just like, okay, trusting. As long as I stay aligned with myself and I'm following my intuition and I'm following what I'm [00:33:00] guided to do, I'm on the right path. And so I, that's my wish for you. My wish for you.

[00:33:07] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And this part makes me emotional because this is why we're here. My wish for you is that you find your peace and that you can hold that no matter what happens, because I promise you that if you can find that healing eradication of disease follows. Think of Anita Mujani. So Anita Mujani, if you've never read this book, she wrote a book called Dying to Be Me, and she had lymphoma.

[00:33:39] Dr. Katie Deming MD: She actually,~ um,~ ended up having a near death experience. Her body was full of tumors, and she ended up dying of organ failure and had a near death experience. Then came back and when she had left her body, when she had the near death experience, she saw [00:34:00] who she was. She saw that she wasn't this body. She saw that everything was fine.

[00:34:06] Dr. Katie Deming MD: She also, I. ~Um, ~saw her dad and she had, had like a really challenging relationship with her dad and she thought that her dad didn't love her, and her dad showed her how much he loved her just beyond what she could have ever imagined. And when she came back in, she hadn't had any different treatments at that point.

[00:34:25] Dr. Katie Deming MD: She came back in and she knew that everything was fine. She was at total peace. And then what happened? All of those tumors melted away. That is possible for everyone, but I think we've got it backwards. We're so focused on eradicating disease, and then we think the healing happens because we've done that.

[00:34:48] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I would argue that it's the reverse. If we can heal and we can come to peace and we can become more authentic to ourselves, I. The Eradication Disease follows that.

[00:34:59] Dr. Katie Deming MD: I hope [00:35:00] this has been helpful for you. Thank you so much for listening, and I will see you on the next episode and take care.

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