Episode 132 | Why Prolong Fasting Fails Without This ONE Step [Inside the Deming Fast] ft. Holistic Nutritionist and Teaching Chef, Monica Corrado

[00:00:00] Dr. Katie Deming MD: What if the most powerful part of fasting isn't the detox? Here's the shocking transformation that happens in your body afterwards that you've never heard of. Welcome back to the Borne Heal podcast. I'm Dr. Katie Deming, and today we're kicking off a new series called Inside the Deming Fast, where I take you behind the scenes of what actually makes this fast different and why so many people experience profound shifts, not just during the fast, but in the rebuild that follows.

[00:00:29] Dr. Katie Deming MD: [00:00:30] In this first episode, I'm joined by holistic nutritionist and teaching Chef Monica Carrado, who helped me design the Refeeding program that sets this work apart from most fasting protocols. In this episode, you'll discover why the most important part of a fast is how you refeed and rebuild your body afterwards.

[00:00:49] Dr. Katie Deming MD: You'll also learn the four foundational foods that quickly restore your gut hormones and nervous system after a fast, and the two plant toxins that can [00:01:00] sabotage your refeeding and how to avoid them. If you've ever wondered what to eat after a fast are, whether fats, dairy, and even liver belong in a healing protocol.

[00:01:09] Dr. Katie Deming MD: This conversation will challenge what you've been told and give you a new framework for rebuilding from the ground up. Let's dive in.

[00:01:17] Dr. Katie Deming: So Monica, thank you so much for being, here with us today.

[00:01:21] Monica Corrado: Thank you, Katie. Thrilled. Thrilled to be here. Always

[00:01:25] Dr. Katie Deming: you and I have had a lot of conversations as we've built this program as I've [00:01:30] been building the fasting program. You've been with me since the beginning thinking about refeeding, because for me, that was really the reason why I started fasting people is because there are lots of fasting programs.

[00:01:43] Dr. Katie Deming: But not any that refeed in the way that I think is appropriate, especially for people who are feed healing cancer. And so you and I have had a lot of conversations about this. One of the things that really stuck with me and I think is really powerful is how you [00:02:00] talked about that after the fast. This is like the most powerful reset that you could do in the body and how.

[00:02:09] Dr. Katie Deming: That we're really rebuilding from the foundation and we're, we want to create a foundation that creates true health from the ground up. And so I wonder if you can talk about this and actually this conversation that we had started with you talking about how fasting is a lot like what people who are doing a plant-based [00:02:30] diet is because that's a cleanse really when people are eating plant-based diet.Can you talk us through that? Tell, talk us through this metaphor.a

[00:02:37] Monica Corrado: Sure, sure. I love this metaphor. it just came to me that what you are doing here, what with water fasting is. So water fasting is the ultimate reset and that so many programs out there, so many, different doctors, et cetera, are all about going plant-based, right? Like plants [00:03:00] are the answer. Plants are cleansers.

[00:03:03] Monica Corrado: Plants are cleansers and plant-based diets will cleanse you more than build you. They'll cleanse you, but they'll take a long time to do it. Or they can take a long time. They could take months they could take, some people are on vegan diets, which are really a cleanse, right? But when we do a water fast, what's happening is the cleansing is happening.

[00:03:27] Monica Corrado: In a much more accelerated way. it's [00:03:30] really an important thing because as you know, there's so much information out there about, oh, let's all, if you have cancer or you have anything, everyone go plant-based and bowing to the plants, but plants have their problems and we've talked about that too, right?

[00:03:44] Monica Corrado: but water fasting really is that accelerated fasting and bringing it down to. The studs, right? We bring the whole system down to, it's like we're building a house, and I love this, this idea [00:04:00] because when you build a house for those, those people that are able to build their dream house, even if you just dream about dreaming your building, your dream house, yeah.

[00:04:10] Monica Corrado: Wouldn't you build it with the best materials, the ones that are going to make the right, make all, make all of it strong. and lasting. So, those are my thoughts about water fasting versus plants and all those things, but we really have an opportunity here to rebuild [00:04:30] once the water fast is done

[00:04:31] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:04:32] Monica Corrado: with the best materials.

[00:04:34] Dr. Katie Deming: absolutely. So what are the best materials to build your body with Monica?

[00:04:39] Monica Corrado: the best materials, are, animal-based foods. Now, what does that mean? Of course, always. Now anyone that knows me, maybe people don't know me on this particular podcast, but it's all about the food and the, and the clean, the, the food needs to be clean, right? Like clean food.

[00:04:56] Monica Corrado: So when I say it's about animal foods, we're assuming. [00:05:00] Right. Grass fed, grass finished, you know, organic. If that's one of, if it's not grass fed or finished, then it's organic, but the cleanest food that you can find, right? And that means connections with your farmers. Some, I mean, that's the best food. I mean, if you can't raise it yourself, then find a farmer that can, that's close to you if, if at all possible.

[00:05:23] Monica Corrado: But animal foods are the foods that are, that are going to rebuild when we start rebuilding from the [00:05:30] ground up. That's what we need. Animal foods are builders, plant foods are cleansers. So we're talking about what are the things that we need to rebuild a robust. A robust microbiome. What are the foods that we need to build?

[00:05:45] Monica Corrado: Right? A strong gut that's not leaking. What are those foods that are going to really serve you, in terms of,health going forward? And they're animal foods.

[00:05:56] Dr. Katie Deming: And I think this is the thing that differentiates my fasting [00:06:00] program from most other fasting programs that, you know, many of them are plant-based refeeding, and when we think about. Building back our bodies, having animal proteins and fats and we'll get into this, the microbes from, you know, culture, dairy, and Kefi is, is very valuable in something that our bodies really need.

[00:06:26] Dr. Katie Deming: in our program, we have Monica's with my [00:06:30] fasts every Friday. So every day I have a different coach who's in there teaching the fasts and or coaching them on different topics. And so Fridays are our nutrition days and Monica's in there teaching the fasters about the different. Number one, why is our Refeeding guide, designed in the way that it is?

[00:06:50] Dr. Katie Deming: Why is it that we recommend eating in the way that we do after the fast? And so there are really four topics that we're covering with the faster. [00:07:00] One is understanding. The importance of an anti-inflammatory diet after the fast. And all of the foods that are on our food guide are anti-inflammatory foods, healing foods.

[00:07:13] Dr. Katie Deming: The second thing that we go over are, foods that are the foundations for healing, and we'll get into that on this show. The third is neutralizing antinutrients, and this one is the, I think this is the most popular one that we have because. [00:07:30] It's number one. There's a lot of foods, a lot of things that have antinutrients in them that people are eating and not even realizing that they're not getting any nutritional value and they're increasing the inflammation in their body.

[00:07:42] Dr. Katie Deming: But, so a lot of people don't even understand this whole idea behind antinutrients, but. What I love about the way that you teach it to my fasts is that there are things that we can do. So if you want to eat some of these foods, you have to understand, number one, that they have antinutrients. And then number two, you [00:08:00] need to understand the, the techniques, the preparatory techniques that can neutralize those antinutrients.

[00:08:06] Dr. Katie Deming: So that's the third topic that we talk about. And then the fourth is demystifying dairy and fats. So, and for me, what I love about this is I'm learning so much as I've been, you know, with you working on all of this and developing nutrition is not my background, right? I mean, everyone who listens to my show knows I talk about that.

[00:08:28] Dr. Katie Deming: I wasn't taught anything [00:08:30] about nutrition in medical school. I was not, I did not have one lecture on nutrition, which is just mind boggling, right? But. I've, I'm getting my education, I'll tell you that much. And a lot of it has been with you and really fascinating for me because what I'm learning is that our ancestors knew how to do this right.

[00:08:50] Dr. Katie Deming: And when we used to spend time in the kitchen and when we used to pass things down from one generation to the next, this was natural. This was [00:09:00] something that was part of our culture, was part of the way that we lived, and we've gotten away from it. And what I love. About having you teaching. My faster is that people get excited about going back into the kitchen and learning how.

[00:09:14] Monica Corrado: Yeah.

[00:09:16] Dr. Katie Deming: Prepare food lovingly and in ways that are gonna nourish their family and keep them safe and healthy in a time where most people are getting sick from the food that we eat. So anyway, I just say all of that to say I'm [00:09:30] super grateful for everything that I'm learning from you. And I know with my Fast Fridays are the day that we have so many questions, so many hands up people are all wanting to ask you questions and learn more from you. we'll give a mini glimpse for the listeners on the podcast today about some of the things that we talk about. And the first is the food guide that we've developed for people who are healing. And my lens specifically is cancer, but this is a, a healing food [00:10:00] guide that would really work for almost any condition because there are things that we can take out or substitute if people have sensitivities, that kind of thing.

[00:10:07] Dr. Katie Deming: But, Do you wanna talk about the food guide in general? Kind of what are the general principles that we're teaching people about how to eat?

[00:10:15] Monica Corrado: Yes, the food guide is so great. So the first thing, as I said, we have a baseline of the cleanest food that people can find. And so some of the teaching is all about that. They learn like, oh, what do you mean if I buy it in the supermarket, it's not [00:10:30] as good as if I go to a farm, right? Or right. That kind of thing.

[00:10:33] Monica Corrado: And what do you mean I can't just buy milk in the store? Right? Like, and we're talking about raw. Raw dairy, right? Raw, clean, raw dairy that you can find now in almost every state in the us right?so that's the baseline. And then we talk about what are those foods that are going to be healing, rebuilding foods for people, and they are meats, right?

[00:10:58] Monica Corrado: Meat, poultry, eggs, [00:11:00] and how to find clean. Like what does it mean to find clean eggs, right? Like what do you mean? I can't just buy an 18 pack for a dollar 99 at seven 11? Like, no, I mean you can, but that's gonna be more highly inflammatory right? Than, than real eggs that you get from a farmer who's not feeding corn and soy and things like that.

[00:11:20] Monica Corrado: So, so. The food guide is built to talk about those types of foods, so meats, poultry, eggs, so those are your animal [00:11:30] proteins, fats, and which fats are we talking about, right? What are those fats that are are rebuilding for the body? And then we talk about which vegetables and why. Right. And then we talk about which nuts and seeds and why or why not, right?

[00:11:48] Monica Corrado: So the, the food guide was really built to take the most, nutrient dense foods to teach the folks in your program how, where to find them, and [00:12:00] also to, eliminate those foods that would be typically inflammatory. And then to take those foods and, also to teach some, we have, you know, the cooking techniques that they can go forward in their lives.

[00:12:14] Monica Corrado: they can learn how to do it, how to, how to make these foods in the way that they're. Nutrient dense and that, they're bioavailable. They are pre-digested, they're all very good for the body. and they, they can teach their family. And you know, the greatest thing [00:12:30] about this food guide, as you said, is that it's really a, a fabulous food guide for anybody that's wants to stay Well, you wanna stay well, you wanna, you wanna be well here.

[00:12:40] Monica Corrado: You want to stay well here. Right. This is how to eat.

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[00:13:37] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:13:00] [00:13:30] Yeah, well, and this is how I eat. You know, a lot of times my fosters will be like, well, how long do I have to eat from this guide? And I'm like, well, is, you know, you don't have to do anything, right? You guys are adults and you can decide what you wanna do, but this is the way that I eat and I am not sick as far as I know.

[00:13:57] Dr. Katie Deming: But I wanna stay healthy. And in today's [00:14:00] world, eating a low inflammatory, foods is one of the ways that we can stay healthy. So, you know, thinking about this, I, I think one of the things that is on our food guide is that we, we eliminate or we minimize both lectins and oxalates.

[00:14:16] Monica Corrado: Yes.

[00:14:18] Dr. Katie Deming: And I think this is interesting because if you look at a plant-based diet, which a lot of the, in the cancer space, you see a lot of the plant-based diets, they are very [00:14:30] high in oxalates and lectins. And so I'd love to talk just a little bit about that. Like why do we minimize oxalates and lectins on this food guide?

[00:14:41] Dr. Katie Deming: Can you tell us a little bit about that?

[00:14:43] Monica Corrado: oxalates and lectins are two of the, what we call antinutrients. There are other ones. There's also, tannins, there are phytates. There's all sorts there. There's a bunch of what we call, what are called termed anti. [00:15:00] Nutrients Antinutrients. Take more nutrition. To break down, then they actually bring to you.

[00:15:07] Monica Corrado: But more than that, they're very, they're highly inflammatory. Some of them wind up take binding with minerals and taking them outta your body, right? Some of them, all of them are highly inflammatory, and so we keep them. Off, out of the food guide. and then later we'll teach, I can teach or I do teach how to do things to these foods so that, that you [00:15:30] can incorporate them, that minimize the oxalates, that minimize the lectins.

[00:15:35] Monica Corrado: These are, it's, it's very interesting to me. And when I was teaching last week, this piece specifically lectins and oxalates are. Hmm, I'll say it differently. Where are the antinutrients in the plants? They're in the plant foods folks. the antinutrients are in the plants because they're the way the plant keeps [00:16:00] you from digesting them.

[00:16:02] Monica Corrado: Plants don't want to be eaten. I know that the vegans don't want to hear that very much. Plants don't want to be eaten, right? They don't wanna be eaten, so they don't want to be eaten. So they have what we call, I call them protective measures, if you will. These are chemicals that are in the seeds of every plant, whether it's a nut, a seed, a grain, or a bean.

[00:16:23] Monica Corrado: Those are all seeds and they all have antinutrients in them. Antinutrients, which are [00:16:30] which are there to keep from being digested. Okay. So for all these folks who are saying, oh, go drink almond milk. Are you crazy? Sorry, almonds, but like literally they're so high in oxalates and, they're just not digestible.

[00:16:46] Monica Corrado: So in any case, these are not, these foods are not going to do you any favors. They're going to be very inflammatory in the body. And if you want to have them in your body, in your diet, then you [00:17:00] really want to. Do traditional cooking techniques to try and bring those antinutrients down, those levels down, and it's possible to do, As I said, it's an interesting thing when you start seeing the patterning here, like where are these antinutrients? Where are these lectins? Where are these oxalates? Where are these phytates? They're all in plant foods. All the plants have them. How much they, I mean, how much is in them varies by different nuts or [00:17:30] seeds or beans or grains.

[00:17:31] Monica Corrado: They all have them. And if you're going to have them in your diet, we don't have them. The food guide does not include high oxalate or high lectin foods at all. but we do talk about once people decide to, you know, maybe they want to include some of these foods later, but then you use traditional cooking techniques to minimize these things.

[00:17:52] Monica Corrado: Oxalates, lectins, tannins, phytates, all these things.

[00:17:55] Dr. Katie Deming: By the way, plant animal foods don't have them. Just [00:18:00] saying,

[00:18:00] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah, I mean, and you, we've, we've talked about this before on the podcast where you're like, plants are the problems. Like plants have more problematic features in them for eating and for the exact reason that you explained is that plants don't want us to be eating them. And if you think about seeds and, and nuts and those things.

[00:18:19] Dr. Katie Deming: Those are designed for the plants to reproduce, right? So they want those to go right through your system and not be digested, and you take on the nutrients because [00:18:30] they want that to go under the ground to reproduce for themselves. So.

[00:18:33] Monica Corrado: to become a new plant.

[00:18:35] Dr. Katie Deming: Exactly. So understanding that and, and learning that. Oh, okay. Like it makes sense.

[00:18:41] Dr. Katie Deming: And also we've gotten into this culture where, especially with nuts, and I think this in the, this, in the cancer space is a big one. 'cause people are like, well, you know, walnuts are good. So they're like just eating a ton of walnuts. And you think about this, we would never. Be in the wild [00:19:00] eating just tons of walnut.

[00:19:01] Dr. Katie Deming: You'd have to crack them. You'd have to open them, you'd have to shell them out to eat them, and that would take energy and time to do it. And we just have all of these things readily available that people are just, you know, shoveling in handfuls of nuts, not realizing like we were never designed to eat them in that way,

[00:19:19] Monica Corrado: We were not, ah, but the food processing industry loves that you're eating them. Lots of them. Right? This the, the nut milks. The [00:19:30] seed milks, right. But as you said, there are certain nuts like walnuts, but we would, as you said, we would never eat a cup of walnuts at one time or, or a half a pound or whatever, you know?

[00:19:41] Monica Corrado: And that's, and that becomes very problematic because then you're there in those, you just antinutrients just flying in, right. And yeah. And they're very hard to digest anyway. Nuts, seeds. Yeah.

[00:19:53] Dr. Katie Deming: And then so one other thing that I wanna call out on the food guide that I think would be good just to have you [00:20:00] explain, because I get a lot of questions about this. You know, we have fats on the food guide, but the fats. You know, you always teach that we should be doing 80% of our fats from animal fats, and only 20% from plant fats are fats that come from plants.

[00:20:17] Dr. Katie Deming: Let's just take extra virgin olive oil. And some of my clients who you know, have been used to just using olive oil for everything are like, wow. Why? Why would you do that? So, why would we want to do 80% of our [00:20:30] fats from animal fats?

[00:20:32] Monica Corrado: Well, animal fats are a lot more stable than plant fats will ever be. That's the first thing. In terms of cooking, they're, they're much more stable. When they're heated. That mean, what does that mean? That means that when they're heated, they don't turn into. Trans fats or they don't, they don't change their structure in a way that is not good for the human body. That's the first thing. So very, very stable. Tallow from cows, from, you know, from sheep [00:21:00] tallow, extremely stable lard, extremely stable, again, very from clean animals, et cetera, et cetera. These are clean, these are sh, these are stable fats when they are heated and that's when fats go off, folks like. Like we have to remember that fat goes rancid.

[00:21:21] Monica Corrado: We don't want anything rancid in our body. Are you kidding me? So fats go rancid in light, in heat, and with [00:21:30] oxygen. Yeah. Plant fats really go rancid like this, and certainly. The fats in nuts, the fats in seeds, right? Like all of them have fats and they go rancid quickly and easily in these, in light of these things.

[00:21:45] Monica Corrado: so the animal fats are far more stable when they are heated, and that's really the biggest thing. But it's also the fats that your body can use more readily, more easily. Then these plant fats. So there's a lot of crazy stuff [00:22:00] out there right now. Thank God about nut and seed oils that nobody should be eating, right?

[00:22:04] Monica Corrado: Like everybody's on the avocado thing. No, no. Avocado oil, right? Like if you want to have beautiful, beautiful extra virgin cold pressed extra virgin olive oil, have it cold, right? Have it, don't heat it. Use, its, its, use the blessing of its antioxidants when it's raw. Right. Yeah. But that's why we use animal fats.

[00:22:26] Monica Corrado: They're very stable for heating and the body [00:22:30] can use them easily. The other things that are cooled, I think, I think is cool. Anyway, just a little tidbit here, is that when you eat lard from pigs that are out on pasture or they're not really on pasture, they're kind of in woods, really, they're out there right.

[00:22:45] Monica Corrado: When you, when you eat lard from pigs that have been out in the sun, it's very high in vitamin D.

[00:22:51] Dr. Katie Deming: Hmm.

[00:22:52] Monica Corrado: So let's all eat lard, right? Good for you. Put some heat right here.

[00:22:58] Dr. Katie Deming: Well,

[00:22:59] Monica Corrado: Sorry.

[00:22:59] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:23:00] love it. No. Yeah. And well, and you, because you brought it up, people are gonna ask avocado oil. What's wrong with avocado oil?

[00:23:07] Monica Corrado: Avocado oil is just not stable when it's heated. And there are a lot of issues coming up about avocado, oil and fertility. I mean, we just don't, I'll say it a different way. Let's all think about an avocado. Everybody got an avocado in their mind like an avocado. Like we know what it looks like. It's this little thing.

[00:23:27] Monica Corrado: Right. Okay. And it's [00:23:30] green. It has a skin, it has a big pit in the middle. Just tell me how you're getting the oil out of that. Like, hello. If you squeeze, I mean, you're making guac, guacamole. If you're squeezing an avocado, you're not making avocado oil, so it's not, it's also a very highly processed food. We do not want to eat highly processed foods.

[00:23:49] Monica Corrado: The body does not do well on highly processed foods, right? So when you think about an olive, let's all think of an olive. A nice, beautiful green olive. You got it? So green olive, how do you [00:24:00] get olive oil? Oh, you press the olive. So then you've got the olive over here and you've got the oil over there. Makes sense, right? Like it's a very easy kind of thing to see why can we have olive oil, not avocado oil, because avocado oil is also a very highly processed food and bodies don't do well on processed foods at

[00:24:21] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. Well, and I think the point that you just made is an important one because there are so many, like the nut milks a perfect [00:24:30] example of there are many of these options available now, but they are highly processed in order to make them.

[00:24:39] Monica Corrado: Yeah.

[00:24:40] Dr. Katie Deming: food is making us sick. You know, this is, we can see this, we are getting sicker as a population, as we've had more of these substitute milks or different kinds of oils that are not nature's way of what we would naturally be using as oils or milk.

[00:24:56] Dr. Katie Deming: So thank you for that. 'cause I knew that that was gonna come up. Someone was gonna ask me [00:25:00] that question

[00:25:00] Monica Corrado: Yes,

[00:25:01] Monica Corrado: So we talked about the food guide and the types of foods. Oh, okay. Okay. Go for it.

[00:25:09] Monica Corrado: When you say people are getting sicker because they're eating processed foods. They are, they're two things. They are malnourished because of highly processed foods. So they're mal, they're eating a ton of food. They're just not getting any nutrition, and they're toxic. Why? Because processed foods have toxins in [00:25:30] them.

[00:25:30] Monica Corrado: I mean, we already talked about the nut and seed milks. What do they have? Antinutrients equal toxins in your body. So they're mal people are malnourished even though they're, as you said, there's a ton of options out there. Like, oh, we can all have like macadamia nut milk and cashew nut milk. I mean, it's a million nut milks out there.

[00:25:49] Monica Corrado: None of them, to my knowledge now, I'm always happy to be wrong, but none of them have been. Treated in a way, meaning there [00:26:00] ha, they haven't been subjected to traditional to cooking techniques to get the antinutrients down. So you're sitting there drinking these nut milks going, oh, I'm having nut milk.

[00:26:11] Monica Corrado: Sorry, it's a plant-based diet. I'm drinking my nut milk. Right? But you're getting all these antinutrients and you're getting no nutrition, so hello. Like, okay. I just wanted to make that point.

[00:26:23] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and just to, since you've already started down this path, and I know how you feel about it, how do you think about net [00:26:30] milks for children?

[00:26:31] Monica Corrado: Oh, don't even get me started. I'll go on the soup soapbox for a month. Um, folks, this is why they call it milk. MYLK. No, no, no. It's supposed to be a substitute for milk. So nut milks for children have, where's the calcium? Not there. Full of Antinutrients, no calcium. Most of them have sugar in them. Whatcha doing? So, raw dairy is the answer. [00:27:00] Certified raw dairy, meaning clean, raw dairy that has been ha, has been, you know, cultured into yogurt or kefi or something. Yeah, no, I Nut milks are not allowing your children to grow. Into the strong. We're talking about structurally, we're talking about the bones, right? Nut milks are never going to provide the nutrition that your children need to have strong bones going [00:27:30] forward.

[00:27:31] Monica Corrado: They just can't.

[00:27:31] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah,

[00:27:32] Monica Corrado: I'll leave it at that

[00:27:34] Dr. Katie Deming: yeah. No. I know this one drives you

[00:27:36] Monica Corrado: before I get.

[00:27:38] Dr. Katie Deming: but if, but if we think about this as like. Our goal with ourselves, but especially with our children, is we want to be feeding them with the most nutrient dense foods with the least amount of inflammation. So basically when you're choosing nut milks, you're getting the exact opposite.

[00:27:55] Dr. Katie Deming: Like you said, they're not getting the nutritional value and they're getting all of the [00:28:00] inflammation and processed foods.

[00:28:01] Monica Corrado: Yes.

[00:28:02] Dr. Katie Deming: anyway, we just, I just wanted to make

[00:28:04] Monica Corrado: We don't wanna go there right now for a long time. We, we could talk about that for a long time, but don't, yeah, I'll just, yeah. Yeah. Let's let that, we've set our piece. Bing.

[00:28:12] Dr. Katie Deming: I love

[00:28:13] Dr. Katie Deming: it. So the foundational foods for healing, that's another piece that we talk about in the program. And do you wanna talk about what those foods are?

[00:28:24] Monica Corrado: Sure, yes. Foundational foods for healing, number one, [00:28:30] we call it wing stock. But it's really meat stock. So it's a short cooked meat stock that provides amino acids, it provides be protein, it provides collagen, right to heal and seal to now we are made of collagen, like we need this stuff. So, so, so wing stock is an easy way to make a chicken meat stock without a lot of meat.

[00:28:56] Monica Corrado: and then we move into meat stock after that. So one, that's [00:29:00] one of the foundational foods for sure. meat stock.you could jump in any time. The next one is cultured. Raw dairy. Cultured. Cultured. Long cultured. Long cultured raw dairy. Raw. Why? Because pasteurized has been not, most of it's been homogenized and it's been.

[00:29:24] Monica Corrado: I'm sorry, I'm thinking of this terrible term messed with, but that's not very scientific. [00:29:30] In any case, it's been sterilized. Remember that pasteurization is sterilization. Okay? So we work with raw milk, beautiful raw milk. Sometimes it's cows, sometimes it's goats, sometimes it's sheep. It's just fine and we culture it long.

[00:29:45] Monica Corrado: Why? Because when you culture. Dairy long, like 24 hours or longer, there's no sugar in it. So you get microbes, you get pre-digested dairy, you get bioavailable calcium, [00:30:00] right? And, and you get no sugar. So it's a wonderful, wonderful way. It's, to get dairy into the diet and it is one of the foundational foods.

[00:30:10] Monica Corrado: So, yogurt, ra. I like to say it that way 'cause people go fer. No, caffeine, cultured cream. All those long cultured dairy is another definite foundational food.we also do lovely things like, fermented, lacto fermented [00:30:30] vegetables. Why? Well 'cause they're really good for your gut and your overall health and anything that you ferment will be low in sugar.

[00:30:40] Monica Corrado: Anything, any vegetable, any fruit that you ferment will be low in sugar because lacto fermentation is a predigestion process. That means those little microbes, yay lactobacilli, are eating all of not only the fiber and the cellulose, but they're eating the sugar for you so you don't have to, [00:31:00] no blood sugar spike, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:31:02] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:31:03] Monica Corrado: a wonderful, wonderful thing. And then of course, we have fats. We've talked about those already. Healthy animal fats, tallow, lard, chicken, fat, what can you get? All those beautiful things. Ghee, of course, cultured, ghee, raw butter, those types of things. raw cultured butter, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:31:23] Monica Corrado: And then, of course, all your organ meats. Which we're gonna get everybody eating because you know, [00:31:30] liver can be yummy.

[00:31:31] Dr. Katie Deming: you said something on the call on Friday about the nutritional value of liver compared to like a T-bone steak.

[00:31:39] Monica Corrado: Oh yeah. So fun. I love this part. I'd love this part 'cause it totally blows people's minds. Let's blow them, shall we? Okay, there's more nutrition in this much. Let's make it a quarter. Should we make it like a quarter? Okay. And like a quarter size, most people know what a quarter looks like, right?

[00:31:54] Monica Corrado: Quarter size of liver, grass fed liver, beef or [00:32:00] chicken is fine. Or lamb, what do you got? Right? Then there is in like a 24 ounce TB T-bone steak.

[00:32:06] Dr. Katie Deming: It is incredible.

[00:32:08] Monica Corrado: right? Like, let's get liver back in your diet. Let's do it. And I'm not talking about capsules.

[00:32:14] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah,

[00:32:15] Monica Corrado: I know another processed food. Put it in a capsule. I'll swallow it. No, no, no, no. Let's make it liver and onions. Liver pate. Liver shots. Like Okay. Make little pieces yourself. Yeah. [00:32:30] Grate it into things. Yes.

[00:32:32] Monica Corrado: Liver, liver, liver.

[00:32:33] Dr. Katie Deming: No, I'm, I, I mean, you've changed my diet in so many ways, but one of the things that every day I have liver pate and I love it. Now, I, I love it. Yeah. But, and the, the beautiful thing about the, the teaching that you do within my program is not only are we teaching people out the, about the importance of these foods and why we wanna bring them in, but then we're teaching them, okay, these are techniques of how you guys can start to.

[00:32:59] Dr. Katie Deming: [00:33:00] Make these foods right, because these are not complex foods. These are foods that are gra grandma's made and you can, you know, meat stock, it's like, you know, on the weekend it's like cook a pot of meat stock and then you have it for the whole week. You know, that's in my house. That's what we do. And then I have.

[00:33:17] Dr. Katie Deming: I do a long cultured yogurt for the week. I'm still working on my kefi because I'm not, apparently the kefi grains and I have been challenged, but, I'm working on it. I'm working on it, but all of

[00:33:28] Monica Corrado: yes. [00:33:30] Troubleshooting.

[00:33:30] Dr. Katie Deming: yes, all of these foods, we not only teach you about the importance of 'em, which we've lost connection with that I feel like in modern society, but we also teach you, you know, Monica is a teaching chef.

[00:33:43] Dr. Katie Deming: She teaches my people how to cook these foods. So, I, I just think that it's such a valuable thing to come out of this fast. We're not only teaching you how to rebuild your body. How to bring in the right microbes to rebuild your microbiome in a way that is gonna [00:34:00] support your immune system. But we're also teaching you how to make these foods like so that you are taking the power back.

[00:34:06] Dr. Katie Deming: And what I love about it is that like my home, having. You know, foods cooked and like a, like the, meat stock when we're doing it, it just smells so lovely in the house to have these foods cooking. So I'm so grateful with the changes that you've made in my life. And then I watch the faster people who go from never spending time in the kitchen [00:34:30] to making these foods and realizing, oh, this is not hard.

[00:34:33] Dr. Katie Deming: We just didn't, weren't taught how to do it. You know,so I love that. And then, so we talked a little bit about neutralizing the antinutrients, which I think is, and that is the most popular thing within the program. People are really interested in, in understanding that and, and what are the techniques that they can use.

[00:34:50] Dr. Katie Deming: and then the last thing is demystifying dairy and fats. And I think you've already brought a little bit of this in, you know, and when we're talking about dairy specifically. In [00:35:00] my program, we're talking about cultured dairy, right? So we're always gonna be culturing dairy to get rid of the lactose, right?

[00:35:08] Dr. Katie Deming: So lactose is a form of sugar, so we wanna make sure that all of that lactose is cultured off. It also reduces the cain in the dairy. So in my program, that's what we're talking about when we're talking about dairy, is culture, dairy, but then also the fats and. Tell us a little bit about fats and why fats [00:35:30] we need to be ha I think, you know, we've had this whole thing for a long time, I think we're moving out of it, but fat phobic and people are afraid of fats and, you know, oh, what's the problem with, with fats?

[00:35:43] Dr. Katie Deming: What, why? You talked a little bit about with the plants versus animal fats, but why do we need fats? What are fats doing within the body that are really important?

[00:35:52] Monica Corrado: Mm,

[00:35:53] Monica Corrado: great question.

[00:35:54] Monica Corrado: Well, we're fat phobic because of all the crazy disinformation and misinformation [00:36:00] around about fats and heart health that came out right many years ago with the Framingham heart study and all sorts of other things. You know that saturated fat is gonna kill you. Eat butter, you're gonna die.

[00:36:13] Monica Corrado: Right? So we have been programmed, really since the early eighties was the biggest part when the surgeon General went in the US anyway, said we all needed to go low fat, no fat, or we were all going to die from heart disease. Okay? So I'd love everyone [00:36:30] to read the book, put Your Heart in Your Mouth by Dr.

[00:36:32] Monica Corrado: Natasha Campbell McBride, all about what's really going on with saturated fats and the heart. So I just wanna put that out, like how did it happen? That's how it happened. Big campaign against butter and really butter, poor butter. I actually have the Time magazine that has butter. Butter is back on it, and I don't remember what the date is, but in any case, I'll show you that at some point.

[00:36:54] Monica Corrado: But what do we need fats for in the body? Oh my goodness. So many things. So [00:37:00] brain function. Hormone, all of your hormones, sex, hormones, stress, or anybody under stress. Hmm. Sex hormones. Anybody have hormone problems? Hmm. Like our whole culture has hormone problems. Women are going crazy, going through menopause.

[00:37:17] Monica Corrado: Really? Why go eat some more fat? It'll help like so sex hormones, stress hormones. All of your hormones need fat. You need fat. That's the [00:37:30] beginning. Your brain needs fat. Your brain is a fat hungry organ. Your brain needs fat. Your heart needs fat. All of your cells are made of saturated fat. If you're not eating it, they're not getting it.

[00:37:42] Monica Corrado: And you start, your brain function will deteriorate. Anybody, like lose the ability to think of things when they're under stress? Yeah, go eat a stick of butter. That's what you need to do. So, so fats are needed for so many things in the body. They've been demonized for the last 40, [00:38:00] 50, 60 years. and the first thing that, that I talk about with people when they come to me, I'll, I ask like, are you eating enough fat?

[00:38:09] Monica Corrado: Oh yeah. Really? Yeah. I eat an avocado every day. And I go, yeah, no, avocados don't count. I mean, avocados are great in terms of just eating an avocado, folks. Yes. But they're not gonna give you the fat that you need for all of these other functions. Like you need it, the body needs it now. It can [00:38:30] create some of the cholesterol that it needs, right?

[00:38:32] Monica Corrado: Itself. The body will create what it needs. I don't even wanna get into statins and things like that right now, but, just suffice it to say that you need. Good animal fat for so many things. And the more stress you're under, the more fat you need to eat. And li literally like eight tablespoons of fat is a stick of butter.

[00:38:53] Monica Corrado: Go to two sticks of butter. Don't start there 'cause you'll throw up 'cause you're not used to eating the fat. But slowly increase the amount [00:39:00] of fat and see how you feel. I mean, why don't we just do it that way? How do you feel folks like. You feel better when you eat more fat. Like there's more calm, your cope rope is bigger, right?

[00:39:13] Monica Corrado: 'cause your nervous system is getting what it needs. So

[00:39:16] Dr. Katie Deming: yeah.

[00:39:17] Dr. Katie Deming: Well, and I think also, you know, in the, the way that we're teaching people to eat is low carbohydrate with a higher fat. So, you know, and I think [00:39:30] that fats get this bad wrap

[00:39:31] Monica Corrado: When you eat sugar or you eat a diet that is high in sugar and then are also eating the fats, that can be inflammatory, but it's not the fats, it's the. Sugar that's causing the inflammation in the body. And there's, you know, you said you're not gonna talk about statins and I don't wanna go there either.

[00:39:48] Dr. Katie Deming: ‘ cause I just actually on another episode completely derailed the conversation talking about statins getting all fired up myself. So we'll leave that for

[00:39:56] Monica Corrado: We'll leave that over there.

[00:39:58] Dr. Katie Deming: McBride comes onto the [00:40:00] podcast. But, it's. Fats are not the problem. And we've been conditioned into this and it takes, you know, it takes time to, to unravel these lies that we've been told, but.

[00:40:13] Dr. Katie Deming: Fats are so important for us, and I see it myself in my clients, those who hadn't been eating any fats, and then as they bring it back in from a neurologic standpoint, it's very calming. So this is one thing that anyone who's listening [00:40:30] you, you have a diagnosis of cancer or you have some diagnosis that you're wanting to heal, there's stress that comes along with that diagnosis.

[00:40:38] Dr. Katie Deming: And fats are one of the ways that we can calm the nervous system. And for me, when I first started this practice, the one thing that I realized is that. I can't help someone heal if we don't calm their nervous system first. And the food was the prerequisite. I had to [00:41:00] help them get the food right first in order to do the other work because their nervous system would be all jacked up until you got the food right.

[00:41:09] Dr. Katie Deming: And part of getting the food right is incorporating more fats. And I know a lot of people who listen might be doing a ketogenic diet or, and that's fine. I'm, I'm. Actually supportive of ketogenic diets. I don't think that everyone has to do a therapeutic ketogenic diet all the time, but I do think that incorporating more fats into your diet for anyone [00:41:30] is valuable.

[00:41:31] Dr. Katie Deming: Number one, it helps regulate your nervous system, but number two, like Monica was saying, it gives us the building blocks that we need and the hormones are the. Biggest thing I, and like you said, hello, who's having hormone problems? Like everywhere I look, there are women ask me, tell me what to do with my hormones.

[00:41:47] Dr. Katie Deming: And the truth is, is that if we get the right foods, if we're feeding our bodies with the right foods, our ancestors didn't have problems like we do with menopause, and you look at people who [00:42:00] are eating a traditional diet that is, you know, has no processed foods and they're eating high fats and they're eating the foods from the, you know.

[00:42:10] Dr. Katie Deming: Animals and then plants that are indigenous to their area and eating and season and all of this stuff, they don't have the same problems with the transition into menopause. This is really a problem of the modern world, and it's because, I mean, a big part of it is because we've been eating diets that don't have animal fats in them that our [00:42:30] bodies need to produce those hormones, so

[00:42:33] Monica Corrado: Yeah. And fertility. Let me go there. I mean, we were talking about menopause, but how about fertility? Same. It's another, it's the other side of the, of the equation, right?

[00:42:41] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah. Can I tell you something shocking? You don't know this

[00:42:44] Monica Corrado: Oh, no. What.

[00:42:45] Dr. Katie Deming: I haven't shared this on the podcast yet, but one of my clients who, she was 43 years old, she has older children, one in college and one I think who's 13 and um. Wasn't planning to have any more children, and she came in and she was [00:43:00] really having a horrible time with her health.

[00:43:02] Dr. Katie Deming: Coming into the fast did not feel well, like, you know, issues with dysregulation of cycles and just really not in a great place from a health standpoint. She finished a 30 day fast and five weeks after her fast completed, she became pregnant and she's now like 12 weeks pregnant. To me that was shocking.

[00:43:22] Dr. Katie Deming: 'cause I, I mean that is just an example of people think that fasting is like depleting the body and like, so [00:43:30] dangerous and what is your body gonna be, you know, left after this is all done. And fertility is such an example of a body that is. Well, right that like you need everything to be going well in order to become pregnant, especially at 43 years old.

[00:43:48] Dr. Katie Deming: And so for someone to fast for 30 days and then have just finished Refeeding, which was two weeks, you know, and then three weeks later become pregnant to me, who's just [00:44:00] mind blowing where I was like, oh my gosh, this is incredible. It's just unbelievable.

[00:44:06] Monica Corrado: Well, you know what also is also incredible is that, of course when the body. I'll say it differently. We want the body to be clear. When we get pregnant, we want the toxins gone. We want people to have done fasts and cleaned up their diet and rebuilt the nutrition before they get pregnant. I mean, this is why we, [00:44:30] one of the reasons, part of the reason, big reason why we have so many children that are sick

[00:44:35] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:44:36] Monica Corrado: because they're being born into toxic bodies.

[00:44:39] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:44:40] Monica Corrado: The moms are toxic. The dads are toxic, and they're malnourished, and then the children are not well.

[00:44:46] Dr. Katie Deming: yeah. Well that would be beautiful. I would love to fast some women who wanna become pregnant

[00:44:51] Monica Corrado: Well, let's do that. That's, that is something I wanna be doing for sure, is teaching. You know, let's prepare. It's just like everything else. You wanna build something [00:45:00] beautiful. You don't start in a garbage dump.

[00:45:03] Dr. Katie Deming: Yeah.

[00:45:04] Monica Corrado: Sorry, I didn't mean that to, don't take that too strongly. All those women out there, but toxins, they're everywhere.

[00:45:10] Monica Corrado: They're in our water. They're in their food, they're in the earth, they're in the air. Right? We're doing everything we can. We filter our water, we filter the water, we bathe in, I pray, all of you, right? We, we filter the water, we drink and cook with. We use clean, we eat clean food. We do all sorts of things to try and, yeah.[00:45:30]

[00:45:30] Monica Corrado: We need to do those things and then we need to do some fasting before we get pregnant so that our children have a hope of being well. Right in this world fast and then rebuild, fast, rebuild. You gotta rebuild a microbiome. You've gotta get the food in there because everyone, golly, I sound like Debbie Downer today.

[00:45:49] Monica Corrado: Sorry. But everyone is like toxic and malnourished. So what can we do if you're toxic? Let's do lots of things like fasting to get to detox, [00:46:00] malnourished. Let's get those beautiful building animal foods into your diet. Then go think about having a baby.

[00:46:07] Dr. Katie Deming: Beautiful. Well, with that I'm gonna end the episode 'cause that was perfect. So thank you Monica, so much for coming on and it's always a privilege to be working with you and you know, for anyone who's listening to this episode. What's happening in the fast is so much more, you know, people think that they, that I just starve them and, and I guess maybe you could say that I do like that's what we do here is we starve [00:46:30] people, but not really actually, I would say you're starving right now in your life and not knowing it.

[00:46:35] Dr. Katie Deming: I think that's. The modern problem is that we're starving and we're toxic, and fasting is one way that we get to detoxify. And then Monica is here to help you learn how to rebuild and actually nourish your body so you're not starving. So thank you Monica, for the work that you do, and thank you for being on the show

[00:46:55] Monica Corrado: thank you Katie, for the work that you do and our work together.

[00:46:59] Dr. Katie Deming: to [00:47:00] summarize, here are the key points we covered today. Why the most important part of a fast is how you refeed and rebuild your body afterwards. The four foundational foods that quickly restore your gut hormones and nervous system after a fast, including meat stock, lung cultured, raw dairy, fermented foods, and healthy animal fats, and the two plant toxins, oxalates and lectins that can sabotage your rebuild phase and how to avoid them.

[00:47:26] Dr. Katie Deming MD: If you found today's episode helpful and you're ready to [00:47:30] take a radical ownership of your health today, subscribe to The Born Heal Podcast now so you don't miss the rest of the inside the Demming Fast series.

[00:47:38] Dr. Katie Deming MD: And if you want an easy way to drink more healing water in your day-to-day, consider trying Spring Aqua. Thank you for listening. And remember, just like me, you were born to heal.